@sun @hfaust @kakafarm science fiction novels? I bet there's a lot of the ouroboros problem there, also seen in gaming: the early works are based on worldly experience (in practicing science, in military service) and then later works are based on SF experience (in reading Asimov, in reading Heinlein).

This was in in AngryJoe's criticism of the Minecraft movie: the writers had clearly prepared a list of "children's movie plot points" and those plot points too deliberately. Checking all the boxes but not having a vision of its own.