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   clacke@libranet.de is my main (notclacke@fedia.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 20:43:48 JST clacke@libranet.de is my main

   Nobody is even questioning the US brain drain anymore – leading edge scientists are leaving the country because their funding vanished, because their science is ideologically unaligned with the regime or because they're worried because freedom of speech is dead – countries like Canada, European countries and China are just taking this for granted now, and the relevant point if discussion is how they can best position themselves for brain gain.
   
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 20:48:22 JST dilbert 1

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     @notclacke freedom of speech is still better than Europe or china here
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 05-Apr-2025 11:04:11 JST clacke

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     @sun I haven't heard of anyone with permanent residence in an EU country getting deported for arranging protests at their university.

     @notclacke

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 05-Apr-2025 11:22:26 JST clacke

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     • nimrod

     @nimrod You don't have to be particularly aligned with any ideology to be out of alignment with the anti-science crowd currently running the White House and Congress.

     - ecology
     - biology
     - medicine
     - neurology
     - meteorology

     All under direct threat or being defunded. And that's just natural sciences, I'm not even going to go into social sciences, that's too obvious.

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     @sun

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     nimrod (nimrod@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 05-Apr-2025 11:22:27 JST nimrod

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     • dilbert 1
     @sun @notclacke If your "science" is ideologically aligned to the democratic party then it was never science. It was propaganda. We're happy to see them leave.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 06-Apr-2025 22:10:11 JST clacke

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     • sj_zero
     @sj_zero I suppose it depends on whether one wants to use one's speech to verbally abuse tenants or to protest war crimes.
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     sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 06-Apr-2025 22:10:12 JST sj_zero

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     Moving from the United States *to* a country like Canada -- a country where a woman was recently fined 10k for being mean in a private conversation -- because they're hoping to have more freedom of speech?
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 21:51:16 JST clacke

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     • sj_zero
     @sj_zero Except he neither supported Hamas nor was on a student visa. Of course the US can deport non-citizen permanent residents if they like, but it had better be on legal grounds, and it's better if we get our facts straight.
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     sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 21:51:17 JST sj_zero

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     • clacke
     You mean whether one wants to use their speech to express their personal opinions about an individual's personal choices in a private conversation or to publicly support and organization whose goal is the genocide of the Jews.
     
     The discussion here is about a Palestinian who was deported for supporting Hamas under a law which says it's illegal to support terrorist organizations on a student visa. Canada has a law, most European countries have the same law. This isn't new.
     
     You know, the website you're on is hosted in Germany. Supporting Hamas is fully illegal there too. Are you sure you want to support a regional authority which committed numerous acts of terrorism? You'll get to find out exactly how much free speech there is in Germany if you're not careful.
     
     Germany can and does arrest people for social media posts: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/berlin-police-arrest-pro-palestinian-woman-for-writing-from-the-river-to-the-sea-on-social-media/3165593?utm_source=chatgpt.com
     
     In fact, Germany deported a bunch of people for the exact same thing.
     
     https://www.euronews.com/2025/04/03/four-foreign-activists-face-deportation-from-germany-after-berlin-university-sit-in
     
     There has also been discussion in the UK of doing the same thing under similar laws.
     
     I'd also like you to consider that there are two examples of heinous invasions by horrible states recently -- if Russians were going out to different countries to protest against Ukraine's handling of the war in Ukraine, would you be opposed to deporting them? I'd be perfectly OK with sending them back to Russia if they love it there so much. If you're here on a student visa, you should be studying and not protesting. Ironically, Russia's was far less of a war crime than that of Hamas, but nobody seems to care about the red line war crimes Hamas has committed and continues to commit by holding civilian hostages.
     
     If you think that supporting a terrorist organization in public on a student visa is actually better than expressing sincere concern to ostensibly a friend in private, then I think you need to reconsider your moral frameworks.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 19:32:06 JST clacke

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     @sj_zero I didn't say it explicitly because I figured it would be obvious, but I am here 👆 referring to Mahmoud Khalil.

     apnews.com/article/columbia-un…

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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 20:16:37 JST dilbert 1

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     @clacke @notclacke @sj_zero europe jails people for speech
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     Thomas Magnum (leyonhjelm@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 11-Apr-2025 04:18:40 JST Thomas Magnum

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     I can’t think of a single technology since 1990 that has made me measurably happier than I would be if it didn’t exist
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 11-Apr-2025 04:18:40 JST clacke

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     • Thomas Magnum

     @Leyonhjelm Then we are very different.

     I am constantly amazed at living in the future and I feel like I drew the luckiest lottery ticket by getting born at the exact time and place I was.

     I have met several people face to face that have given me joy and that I can't imagine how I would have met had I been born 20 years earlier, all thanks to recent inventions.

     I would have been very unlikely to be living on this side of the planet without a chain of events that was only possible at a rather narrow window in time.