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   Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 01:39:02 JST Paul Cantrell

   • Aral Balkan

   This from @nini and @aral — and without any nods and winks! All cars have some fire risk, all EVs burn extra hot if they catch fire, but Teslas seem to be •uniquely• prone to catastrophic failure.

   1/ https://oldbytes.space/@nini/114189055244108985

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 01:39:48 JST Paul Cantrell

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     I’ve heard that the battery cooling system on Teslas is unusually prone to failure compared to other EVs.

     I can’t confirm that, but it’s sure plausible: Teslas as a whole certainly take a “cheap luxury” approach that involves a •lot• of engineering shortcuts and hand-waving about safety.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 01:40:30 JST Paul Cantrell

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     And in car system failure in a Tesla, the doors become unopenable — except using emergency release latches that hardly anybody even knows about!

     This is why Teslas don’t just catch fire, but trap people inside •burn them alive• on a regular basis.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 01:46:46 JST Paul Cantrell

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     Some quick web searching (https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/113983628009795949) suggests that Cybertrucks burn people alive •57 times• more often than normal vehical.

     57 times. Not 57% more. 57 •times• more. I mean…wow. Just wow.

     Small N, quick research, yes yes, but…that difference is so large it’s hard to imagine it’s just some statistical fluke.

     Swasticars kill.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 01:51:29 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Jess👾

     Or maybe it’s not an engineering thing! Here @JessTheUnstill posits a biological explanation:
     https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill/114185369946572239

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     Michael Wyman (mwyman@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 01:59:01 JST Michael Wyman

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     @inthehands funny thing is, most people I’ve seen get into a model 3 for the first time finds the emergency release *first*, since it’s more the kind of release they see in other cars than the button you normally have to press in the 3. But then they completely forget that exists.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 01:59:01 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Michael Wyman

     @mwyman
     Yeah — though that’s the front seat. The back seat is a damned escape room.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 02:00:01 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Paul_IPv6

     @paul_ipv6
     Probably it’s harder for those who use rideshares frequently, but in my case, I’ll refuse / cancel a request that shows up as a Tesla. I’m not getting in your death trap, thanks.

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     Paul_IPv6 (paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 02:00:02 JST Paul_IPv6

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     @inthehands

     since we don't always have a choice about uber/lyft, everyone should know how to get out. as you'd expect from the complete lack of concern about safety, every model seems to be different:

     https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/2012_2020_models/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html

     https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-7A32EC01-A17E-42CC-A15B-2E0A39FD07AB.html

     https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-903C82F8-8F52-450C-82A8-B9B4B34CD54E.html

     https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-A7A60DC7-E476-4A86-9C9C-10F4A276AB8B.html

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     Paul_IPv6 (paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 02:02:10 JST Paul_IPv6

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     @inthehands

     i'm with you but as i said, not everyone can control this completely. in some towns, teslas are also a large proportion of the rides.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 02:02:10 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Paul_IPv6

     @paul_ipv6
     Yeah, choice is a luxury. Though for those who have it…well, I have to guess that getting chronically refused would change incentives for rideshare drivers in an impactful way.

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     Paul_IPv6 (paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 02:06:48 JST Paul_IPv6

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     i'd also be concerned about uber/lyft lowering your "rating" as a passenger, making those services mostly unusable.

     uber/lyft are far more likely to care about not pissing off TFG/muskrat than they are passenger safety, at least while they can get insurance and avoid criminal prosecution.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 02:06:48 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Paul_IPv6

     @paul_ipv6
     Yeah, sand in the gears doesn’t always come without cost for the sand-thrower.

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     Sophie Schmieg (sophieschmieg@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 02:41:27 JST Sophie Schmieg

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     @inthehands @paul_ipv6 on the other hand, more people cancelling rides with Teslas acts as yet another way to boycott that fascist company, which adds an incentive for Uber/Lyft to prioritize other car models, and for drivers to switch.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 02:41:27 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Sophie Schmieg

     @sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6

     I really do think that a lot of business leaders believe that fascism will be convenient for them. They’d never state it that way, but that truly is what they think. And yes they change their minds about that in large numbers, things can change fast.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 03:09:10 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Sophie Schmieg

     @sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6
     Yup. Lots of “we can ride this out,” “we can be the ones who win favor,” “leopards won’t eat •my• face,” “it’s just unhinged leftists,” “it will evaporate,” “smart people behind the scenes have a plan,” etc.

     One of our best hopes now is making that confidence crumble •before• there’s nothing left anyone can do about it.

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     Sophie Schmieg (sophieschmieg@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 03:09:11 JST Sophie Schmieg

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     @inthehands @paul_ipv6 the fact that they see Trump ruining the economy with tariffs, and still only meakly protesting is definitely evidence of that.

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     Sophie Schmieg (sophieschmieg@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 03:31:35 JST Sophie Schmieg

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     • Paul_IPv6

     @inthehands @paul_ipv6 there is some movement happening, though, my very boring liberal father in law went from "why are you so worried, it's just four years" to "I'm not sure you should travel internationally, do you have lawyers on call, I'm very worried" within 2 months. And I'm pretty sure lots of people are going through that right now, and gracefully accepting them into the fold will be key for any left alliance to succeed in stopping fascism.

     That being said, "business leaders" are very different from "boring liberal"

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     Eric (strayhorse@c.im)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 09:35:37 JST Eric

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     @inthehands And a major recall announced today. https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7

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     Eric (strayhorse@c.im)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 09:35:38 JST Eric

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     @inthehands And then there’s this: “…the trim piece that flew off of his truck is connected to a plastic frame bolted directly to the car; that trim piece, he says, is stuck to the frame with adhesive rather than welded or bolted to anything. That adhesive has seemingly failed in multiple places on his truck, leading to the loosened roofline trim panels.”
     https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a63857202/tesla-cybertruck-losing-body-panels-reports/

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 09:49:09 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • JW

     @jwi @strayhorse
     I was remarking on the same article!
     https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/114196016839640437

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     JW (jwi@aus.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 09:49:10 JST JW

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     @strayhorse @inthehands
     And a Tesla investor and backer says Musk needs to get to managing the company.

     Mind you, my view is that the problems with design and build quality are long-standing problems that are being reflected in his leadership of DOGE.

     https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/20/tesla-musk-trump-work-cybertruck-recall-dan-ives-protests