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   Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 01:15:04 JST Paul Cantrell

   Hey MSP! There are #TeslaTakedown events •today• in Golden Valley and Maplewood, 11am until ???. I’m going to try to juggle family stuff to be there! Maybe you too?

   Events are happening across the country. Details & search here:

   https://actionnetwork.org/event_campaigns/teslatakedown

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 06:37:09 JST Paul Cantrell

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     I got there on the late end, but apparently it peaked close to 100 people.

     Folks are apparently coming back every Saturday. MSP folks, plan ahead! Maybe I’ll see you there! Link in the prev post.

     Late arrivals are fine, even welcome! Seems like the main crowd was there 11-12:30ish, but some folks were staying until almost 2:00.

     #TeslaTakedown

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 06:41:28 JST Paul Cantrell

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     We got a •lot• of friendly honks and waves — including from many people in Teslas!

     Hs anybody put together a resource on how to break a Tesla lease? It seems like there’s a lot of people who’d like to ditch the damn things, but don’t know where to start. A practical guide could be •really• effective.

     #TeslaTakedown

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 08:20:45 JST Paul Cantrell

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     I’m really serious about that previous post: we need an expert guide to breaking a Tesla lease. What are the options? What are the costs? What are the tradeoffs? How should one go about it?

     I am not even close to having anything like the expertise to answer these questions. But if someone out there •is• an expert, I would love to help you write up, format, and distribute a guide.

     This could matter. Lots of people out there just feel sick about driving a Tesla, desperately want out of their lease. The right information could unleash something formidable.

     #TeslaTakedown

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 08:31:45 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Eric Beckman

     @ERBeckman Sorry to miss you there! I probably arrived 20 min after you left. But I'll be back!

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     Eric Beckman (erbeckman@historians.social)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 08:31:46 JST Eric Beckman

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     @inthehands I was there, 11:30 - 12;20. Pretty confident that there were at least 100 around Noon. Good energy. I may hit the Maplewook next week, looks like that had about 25. I counted that many on a video Indivisible Twin Cities posted.
     #TeslaTakedown

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 08:33:58 JST Paul Cantrell

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     One thing I could definitely do is help put together an online “Scrap Your Swasticar” site that does the math on amount remaining on lease, current resale value, penalties, etc. to help people figure out what it would take…

     …if only I had the info and expertise! Hit me up!

     #TeslaTakedown

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     Kim Scheinberg (kims@mas.to)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 08:46:28 JST Kim Scheinberg

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     @inthehands
     We leased our Tesla in 2019, lease expired in 2022. The pandemic led to a huge shortage of used cars so we bought the car for $50k+ and could have flipped it the next day for $60k

     Sold it last month at a 5-figure loss

     If you want to break the lease, the usual path would be to sell the remainder of the lease to a third party broker but Tesla no longer allows that

     Breaking the lease means a huge loss, penalties, etc. — the cheapest path would be to buy out the lease then sell it

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 08:49:48 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • A Flock of Beagles

     @burnitdown
     For people with infinite money, this is a good option

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     A Flock of Beagles (burnitdown@beige.party)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 08:49:50 JST A Flock of Beagles

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     @inthehands stop paying for it and launch it back to the dealership with a trebuchet?

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 08:51:44 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Kim Scheinberg

     @kims
     Useful info, thanks.

     An online tool to calculate the cost of buying out & selling would be useful. Even though that doesn’t take money directly out of Tesla’s pocket, it still helps tank the market.

     I’ll bet a clever team of lawyers could recommend some more devious tacks for those stuck in the lease.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 08:53:57 JST Rich Felker

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     @inthehands Certainly I don't "condone" this but very accidentally getting in a non life endangering accident that totals the vehicle would certainly do it. 🤷 😈

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 08:56:52 JST Rich Felker

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     @inthehands It getting vandalized in a way that's a total loss by antifascists you certainly don't know would also do it. 🙃

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 09:00:11 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @dalias
     I am not condoning insurance fraud either, but that is the sort of information the guide should certainly contain.

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     Michael Dekker (dekk@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 09:05:26 JST Michael Dekker

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     @inthehands I’m curious whether the market value Tesla is willing to give you for breaking a lease aligns with the prices we are trying to charge. I would think any Tesla owner can use the app to find out lease break terms. If enough people are willing to crowdsource this data you can populate a model. https://www.tesla.com/support/leasing/end-lease-early

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 09:05:26 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • A Flock of Beagles

     @burnitdown
     This is probably just flippant humor on your part (?), but it's a good question. And it has an answer:

     “Having money,” even a doctor-and-lawyer money, does not mean having financial flexibility. There are lots of people who can afford to pay a Tesla lease but not afford to break one. They’re the people we want to reach.

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     A Flock of Beagles (burnitdown@beige.party)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 09:05:27 JST A Flock of Beagles

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     @inthehands who tf owns a Tesla? not people who don't have money!

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     Michael Dekker (dekk@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 09:05:33 JST Michael Dekker

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     @inthehands I’m curious whether the market value Tesla is willing to give for breaking a lease aligns with the prices they are trying to charge. I would think any Tesla owner can use the app to find out lease break terms. If enough people are willing to crowdsource this data you can populate a model. https://www.tesla.com/support/leasing/end-lease-early

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 09:06:42 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Michael Dekker

     @dekk
     “the market value Tesla is willing to give for breaking a lease”

     Say more? I feel like I’m only halfway to understanding this train of thought, but like its direction.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 09:08:53 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Michael Dekker

     @dekk
     Wait, wait, I think maybe I follow: Tesla makes you “pay the difference between your adjusted lease balance and the current market value of your vehicle.” So if the current market value is dropping, then more and more leases become free to break…?

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     Michael Dekker (dekk@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 09:13:48 JST Michael Dekker

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     @inthehands The opposite. But Tesla may be the last to recognize the decline in MV, so possible that mass action could get many lease returned before MV offers drop.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 09:22:58 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Michael Dekker

     @dekk
     Ah, right, OK, I am finally with you. So for potential lease-breakers, there’s strategic value in (1) moving early and (2) moving simultaneously.

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     Zimbobble 🐟 (zimbobble@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Mar-2025 00:07:41 JST Zimbobble 🐟

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     @inthehands According to DOGE you can just unilaterally cancel any contract you don't like and pocket the savings