James Widman
@nyquildotorg @glassresistor @aeva @nat @mcc @nullagent
between this and:
https://mastodon.social/@mcc/114079708836192752
...i've accepted that we can't have a total ordering, but it definitely sounds like we need some wiki/site that lays out the current options, the fire-emblem-style weapons triangle, and the state of the shortcomings of every browser that isn't actively trying to sap & impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
silverwizard
mcc
@joe @JamesWidman we could implement it as an eBPF rule
mcc
@JamesWidman @nyquildotorg @glassresistor @aeva @nat @nullagent So, there are companies that benefit from the existence of Linux. And what we've seen since 2000 is that it is easier to get that kind of funding for a architectural/server component than it is to get it from a pure GUI component. And also arguably Linux is a simpler project than a web browser. But that's not the same as saying a non-architecture, non-malware GUI application is entirely unfundable, not even at the browser scale.
Joe Groff
@mcc @JamesWidman what if we simply add a web browser to the Linux kernel
James Widman
@nyquildotorg @glassresistor @aeva @nat @mcc @nullagent everyone who suggested a firefox-based thing (e.g. floorp) should read this:
https://vmst.io/@jalefkowit/114082823521695617
fundamentally, what we're missing is an organization with a stable, long-term source of funding that *isn't* based on advertising.
Development probably needs to be funded by the government(s) of one or more countries that stand a good chance of not turning fash in the foreseeable future.
mcc
@JamesWidman @nyquildotorg @glassresistor @aeva @nat @nullagent I still don't take this altogether seriously. The argument here is less that you shouldn't *use* a Firefox fork, but rather that Firefox forks will be unsustainable if Mozilla goes out of business. But nothing I do will influence whether Mozilla goes out of business— it will happen whether I use Firefox, a Firefox fork, or Chrome. Mozilla will try very hard to go out of business even if I try very hard to support them.
mcc
@JamesWidman @nyquildotorg @glassresistor @aeva @nat @nullagent I'm also not sure it's supported. People in the 90s didn't stop and go "wait— how will we pay for this without a corporate sponsor?" before writing open source software. What if us thinking we need the Mozilla Organization, specifically is learned helplessness? Lots of open source projects today exist without becoming advertising companies. Linux hasn't turned into an advertising company.
James Widman
@mcc @nyquildotorg @glassresistor @aeva @nat @nullagent right, linux isn't an advertising company, but Linux does get some funding, probably because each of the "platinum members" of the linux foundation maintain a lot of critical stuff running on linux in-house, so they view the $500,000 membership fee as a tech support fee.
In that case, they can probably see a clear connection between "spend $500k per year" and "receive maintenance of large & critical business systems".
ROTOPE~1 :yell:
@silverwizard @mcc @JamesWidman @joe systemctl reload-tab slashdot.org
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