silverpill
Mastodon's specification for Quote Posts is finally out and... It's not bad!
It is based on FEP-e232, on top of which they add a quote control mechanism. I believe that quote controls in decentralized network don't make much sense, and currently I have no plans to implement them, but from a technical perspective, the design is quite good. Hopefully it stays that way
RE: https://mastodon.social/users/MastodonEngineering/statuses/114003104286886445
silverpill
@adiz Every Mastodon quote will have a link pointing to a special "approval" object. Author of a quoted post can delete this object, thus revoking the approval.
As long as software knows about those approvals (and their revocations), quote controls can work. But not all projects are going to implement this, and of course nobody can prevent people from doing screenshots.
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@silverpill I don't really understand how they want to provide a mechanism by which one can dictate activities upon a remote server. E.g.:
> You will be able to choose whether your posts can be quoted at all.
> You will be able to withdraw your post from the quoted context at any time.
To me, that completely spits in the face of instance sovereignty. I.e., "how can you/your instance tell my instance what to do/what it can/cannot do?"
silverpill
@adiz @sendpaws @Alex This is my experience as well, I have never seen quote-fights here. Maybe they are more commonplace on twitter, I don't know. That place have algorithmic timelines which might reward such behavior.
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@sendpaws That's wild. I was never really a Twitter use and I briefly had Tumblr back in the day when it was more of a mood board blog kinda deal or whatever. I just don't see people doing that on my slice of the Fediverse, nor ever have. I don't often quote-post, but I appreciate having the ability to do so. @Alex @silverpill
Pawslut420
@Alex @silverpill @adiz I've seen cancerous threads on Twitter which are like chains of 20 replies of just quote tweets or someone making EVERY SINGLE REPLY a quote tweet. Twitter tried to at least show quote tweets at some point with a click instead of just getting rid of it, but it's bad design still.
It goes against the design of a discussion board or community.
Pawslut420
@adiz @Alex @silverpill Quote posts are divisive online for many reasons, from how they deteriorated Twitter discussion after they were added to the site to how they shaped Tumblr's discussion and made the site overly political and argumentative. In fact Tumblr was even worse; you couldn't reply to posts but you had to reblog them with commentary added. Imagine if instead of being able to RT you had to quote tweet only.
I can reassure you in the Pleroma sphere there was a huge flamewar over quote posts like 2 years ago.
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@Alex I genuinely don't see that the case nor really understand how this can be an unironically perspective. @sendpaws @silverpill
Pawslut420
@adiz @silverpill It makes sense when you realize who Mastodon's target demographic it was marketed to is, that Bluesky is eating their lunch by being exactly how Mastodon was marketed in 2017 (do you see Sirius XM DJs shouting out or brands using fedi? No, but they sure love bsky), and that the entire goal of Mastodon is to be pre-Elon Musk Twitter on Rhino Pills.
It was made by people who saw "that" era of Twitter and declared, they didn't go far enough.
(This mindset is also why fediblocking stuff exists because there's 2 different networks on the same protocol).
Pissed Hippo
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@sun Twitter/Mastodon/BlueSky is populated by insane people. @Alex @sendpaws @silverpill
jeff
@adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa @sun@shitposter.world @Alex@boymilk.cafe @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party @silverpill@mitra.social you gotta be inclusive towards insane people who hate you bruh
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Pawslut420
@sun @Alex @silverpill @adiz wow you can get zapped on mitra
Pissed Hippo
Pawslut420
@sun @Alex @silverpill @adiz There's also a wide contingent of Twitter users that rely on it. Bluesky added it because unlike Mastodon, they saw it as an integral feature.
That and on bsky, quotes are easily broken in the case of blocks and similar.
Johnny Peligro
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Pawslut420
@sun @Alex @silverpill @adiz "quote post harassment"/dunking happens even more with replies disabled funny enough
deutrino
@sendpaws @sun @Alex @adiz @silverpill Taylor Lorenz is an *excellent* example of a user who should stay on Bluesky
lainy
Râu Cao ⚡
@lain @silverpill "We promise that we can control other people's software". Uhm, no?
silverpill
@vincent Yes. Some platforms that implement FEP-e232 may ignore the link tag if it doesn't have this relation type
Vincent Cloutier
@silverpill Do you think it would be useful if I added the "https://misskey-hub.net/ns#_misskey_quote" rel attribute to bird.makeup in QT right away?
silverpill
@vincent Foundkey requires rel:
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-e232-object-links/2722/35
I don't know about the others
Vincent Cloutier
@silverpill Do you know with which platforms compatibility would be improved with just this change?
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