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   myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 19:58:38 JST myrmepropagandist

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   @bri_seven @jandi @wmd

   I think the point of scratch is to make things less frustrating. My 7ths graders will swear their code is identical to my example and it's just NOT.

   my code: function dance() { twirl(3); }
   7th graders: function Dance {twril(3}

   "why isn't it wooooorking? I have the exact same thing!"

   I mean that's part of what they are ready to learn at this age. They are so excited when they get it right.

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     Tak! (tak@glitch.taks.garden)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 19:58:43 JST Tak!

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     @futurebird @bri_seven @jandi @wmd
     I feel like something we're missing is a mobile-first interface to programming

     It should be possible to make a simple program on your phone in the time it takes to make and post a tiktok

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 19:58:45 JST myrmepropagandist

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     @apophis @wmd @jandi @bri_seven

     No. They get it eventually.

     I have to show them how to find () {} and [] on the keyboard and that they aren't the same. I also have to teach them *how* to copy and paste.

     They are scandalized and think I'm letting them "cheat" when I say "copy this line then make this change it's faster" when typing a program.

     But by the end they can really use the keyboard and understand the syntax of functions in a few different contexts.

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     🐛 (apophis@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 19:58:46 JST 🐛

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     @futurebird @bri_seven @jandi @wmd would it help to explicitly teach them the trick of opening up a plaintext editor (that's been set to an easily legible monospace font with as few confusingly similar glyphs as possible) and copypasting one version and the other on separate lines right next to each other?
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     scmbradley (scmbradley@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 19:58:52 JST scmbradley

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     @futurebird @apophis @wmd @jandi @bri_seven ok kids, today were going to learn how to quit vim

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 19:58:59 JST myrmepropagandist

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     @Scmbradley @apophis @wmd @jandi @bri_seven

     Isn't that more of a graduate level or PhD research topic? I just teach grade school!

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     LaLaon (pdlaon@mastodont.cat)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 15:06:45 JST LaLaon

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     @futurebird
     I'm a grown up and I found scratch useful for me, because keeps the "how the logic of this works" from the "this is how you write this" and I'm a not detail oriwnted person.
     For me it's like learning music. With childreb you start with the logic of music and introduce music writting later when you have a basic understanding of how music works
     (I don't know if I made my point across, english is my 3rd language)

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