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   『g r e y』 :uv: ☦️ (grey@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 05:21:36 JST 『g r e y』 :uv: ☦️

   • djsumdog
   given how central the Milgram experiments seem to be to the worldview of late 20th century boomer liberalism, is there a modern retrospective on those experiments anywhere? like the moon landing, it seems to occupy a central point in the boomer worldview, so i'm wondering if, like the moon landing, it's fake and gay as well.
   
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     @jimmybuffettfanaccount @djsumdog calling it, any assumption that plays a central role in the worldview of post-war liberalism is fake and gay. the entire edifice exists as a monument to deception and delusion.
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 05:21:35 JST djsumdog

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     Like I said in the other thread, it is ONLY Gina Perry who claims it's fake. It's been replicated in other Western countries, including by Burger who included woman and found they had the same compliance rates,
     
     https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-64-1-1.pdf
     
     https://web.archive.org/web/20070104205716/http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2765416&page=1
     
     I think Perry was just trying to make a name for herself. She found some flaws in the original methodology, but the stuff where she claims the participants "knew" it was fake is purely subjective. I can't find it now, but there was an interview with a participant decades later where he said he really thought he had killed the other person.
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     @grey @djsumdog It was fake like pretty much all famous post WW2 psychology experiments, surprise surprise
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 05:50:23 JST djsumdog

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     you would have to be profoundly unintelligent ... to honestly believe that an experiment is being allowed that lets you torture people much less practically to death

     um ... did you live through 2020 ~ now? I don't think you have to be unintelligent at all. We watched billions of intelligent people go absolutely fucking shit crazy over re-branded flu and inject the least tested drug in modern drug regulatory history right into their arms.

     I don't think IQ plays into it at all. I've watched the Milgram videos I think most of them thought it was real. They might not have believed the person in the other room was passed out or dead (subconscious lies, rationalization, justification, "this is Harvard, surely not", etc.) but it doesn't matter. They still took the action.

     If anything the first half of the 2020s shows how easy it is to manipulate people in even worse ways using media and authority.

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     @djsumdog @grey the problem is there’s no way to read people’s minds so there’s no way to know for sure if people knew it was fake or not. so you have to rely on some basic intuition. And basic intuition says that you would have to be profoundly unintelligent, like sub sub Saharan average IQ, to honestly believe that an experiment is being allowed that lets you torture people much less practically to death. So even if he wasn’t encouraging a certain outcome (he was) most people have to know it’s a trick question and so all you’re really judging is how many people are knowingly picking the naughty option on purpose and then playing it up for laughs. Seeing a breakdown of how many players pick the evil options in video games is probably about as illustrative to the human psyche.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 07:45:50 JST kuteboiCoder

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     how/why is the moon landing fake and gay?

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     Horntoise (koropokkur@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 07:58:24 JST Horntoise

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     imagine believing that they built a fucking golf cart and drove around hitting golfballs on the moon.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 07:59:26 JST kuteboiCoder

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     what's implausible though? The technology, or the cost?
     
     It isn't like you can't use GPS from a device in your pocket

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 08:04:37 JST djsumdog

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     I think the moon landing is 50/50. There was a time crunch, Kennedy promised a lot, the Van Allen belt is toxic, a lot of early videos were lost and the logistics seem technologically impossible. Even though Artemis is more ambition, they still have trouble with some of the most basic challenges.
     
     Yet there is so much detail that would be difficult to just make up. The reports of ultra-fine particles eroding at the space suits. The way the astronauts constantly lost their balance because they trained with an entirely different center of gravity. Van Allen himself saying the belt can be navigated through.
     
     I don't think people are stupid for believe it's fake. I don't think people are stupid for believing it's real. Ultimately it probably doesn't matter. Artemis will ultimately be a multi-billion dollar failure and if we have been there, I doubt we'll ever return.
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 10:32:03 JST of nothing

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     @djsumdog @koropokkur @KuteboiCoder @grey I just think that most of thinking that it's fake is cope - a refusal to accept how much the US has declined since then. Yes, dudes with slide rules could do it. No, current NASA can't do anything at all.
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     @apropos@fsebugoutzone.org @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @koropokkur@eveningzoo.club @grey@poa.st
     
     they can write big fat checks to #Elon.
     
     #KingElon

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     egirlyuumimain (egirlyuumimain@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 21:57:26 JST egirlyuumimain

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     @apropos @djsumdog @koropokkur @grey @KuteboiCoder I mean if I cut the space is fake and gay schizo act. We went several times
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     they were flying that schoolbus around in low earth orbit and never went past 400 miles 30 years later and want us to believe they flew a fuggin tin can 238,000 miles one way and then back again.
     sorry... i gotta call bullshit on that fiction.
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