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   Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 18:25:10 JST Aral Balkan

   So this is apparently NOT enough for mastodon.social to defederate Threads.

   What a complete and utter betrayal.

   https://news.sky.com/story/amp/metas-new-guidelines-allow-users-to-say-lgbt-people-are-mentally-ill-13285449

   #mastodonSocial #meta #threads #moderation #fediverse #mastodon #mastodonGGMBH #lgbt #lgbtq #humanRights

   • Rich Felker and Cadu Silva :v_fb: repeated this.
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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 18:25:27 JST Rich Felker

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     @aral Give them a little time. The momentum is there and I suspect they'll be convinced before long.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 18:39:50 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Rich Felker

     @dalias They need to be convinced? Why do they need to be convinced? What kind of person needs to be convinced when faced with this?

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 18:54:28 JST Rich Felker

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     @aral Gargron seems to believe very little of the hate speech will spill over here (says they've only had 68 reports of posts from Threads so far) and that they can deal with moderating it.

     He's overlooking (possibly intentionally) the double standard where explicitly pro-hate-speech instances are normally defederated on the basis of intent not action, and that now that Threads is an explicitly pro-hate-speech instance, it's somehow not being treated the same way.

     He's also overlooking how folks replying to hate speech to argue against it will result in it getting federated and put in front of people.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 18:55:24 JST Rich Felker

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     @aral In any case, I'm hopeful that there's sufficient momentum and consensus now that he will cave to pressure and defederate them. But it will likely take a while still...

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 19:00:18 JST Aral Balkan

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     You EITHER federate with Meta/Threads and have them be a partner in your Social Web Foundation OR you support LGBTQ+ people and human rights for all.

     You can’t do both.

     Not after this.

     The fact that we even have to fucking try to convince you to do the right thing is disgusting. What the fuck happened to you? Was it always just lip service? A fucking “unique selling point?” If not, pick a fucking side. It shouldn’t be too damn hard when one of those sides is fascism.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 22:51:00 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Amoshias

     @Amoshias You need to keep the fuck out of my mentions. Here, let me help.

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     Amoshias (amoshias@esq.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 22:51:02 JST Amoshias

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     @aral "complete and utter betrayal" is insane. You need some perspective.

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     William B Peckham (wbpeckham@techhub.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 03:53:49 JST William B Peckham

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     @aral I don't know who you think you're talking to, but you should be talking to the administrator of your Mastodon site. Each individual site has an individual administrator and that administrator is the one who can decide to allow or block on their site. If they all choose to block, then we don't have to deal with that. If yours doesn't, you might have to move to another site with an administrator who won't put up with this.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 03:53:49 JST Aral Balkan

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     • William B Peckham

     @wbpeckham The person I’m talking to knows who I’m talking to; and those who know what I’m referring to do as well :) (And I run my own instance, which, of course, blocks Threads and has done so from Day 1.)

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     Roberto :verified_gay: (rober@masto.es)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 07:39:14 JST Roberto :verified_gay:

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     • David

     @DBG3D No lo hicimos, pero vamos a revisar esa decisión dada la nueva política.

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     David (dbg3d@masto.es)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 07:39:15 JST David

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     @aral

     @rober I don't remember if you defederated threads finally?

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 18:38:16 JST Aral Balkan

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     @Bokko @davtun Your right to free speech doesn’t extend to the right to question the existence of others. That’s fascism. Your right to free speech also doesn’t constitute a right to make anyone listen. And if a Nazi bar takes up shop next door, you sure as hell protect your patrons from it instead of laying down a red carpet. And now, you may go away.

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     Bokko (bokko@frikiverse.zone)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 18:38:26 JST Bokko

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     • David :bongoCat:

     @davtun @aral I dont defend that, I defend the freedom to say whatever you want. First because I rather spot that kind of people directly, second because the implication of not letting that is the issue I'm explaining, yielding the power to a corpo that can change (and its doing it) what they consider appropiate or not, sorry I'm not ok with that kind of power for them. And third, I remember the times when the censored were the ones you try to defend.

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     David :bongoCat: (davtun@owo.cafe)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 18:38:35 JST David :bongoCat:

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     • Bokko

     @Bokko @aral op isn’t even talking about that, it’s about the community guidelines update giving free reign to attack lgtb people.

     If you defend that, congrats, you’re the problem op is talking about.

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     Bokko (bokko@frikiverse.zone)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 18:38:41 JST Bokko

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     @aral have you ever considered if its better to have community notes or to have a corpo have a private team controlled by it who is watching what can be posted or not?

     Because in the orange clown era, maybe its better to be able to go against the flow freely.

     Never thought on what could happen if suddenly that "facts team" switches his mind and decides that you can not say that genres are not only binary or that same marriage sex is a right that must be protected. Then what?

     Give me freedom.

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     Bokko (bokko@frikiverse.zone)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 18:38:45 JST Bokko

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     @aral o right, the classic "either you do what I want or you are the devil" pretty sure there is no other way for it to be, or reasons for not taking certain actions.

     You can only be one! The good or the evil! The world is only black or white!

     Damn this kind of arguments are so ridiculous.