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   The Dialectical Communist (thedialecticalcommunist@social.marxist.network)'s status on Sunday, 05-Jan-2025 11:13:27 JST The Dialectical Communist

   Marxism United!

   #dprk #china #laos #Vietnam #cuba #blackLiberation #communism #socialism #marxism

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 05-Jan-2025 11:58:00 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     @ramin_hal9001 @TheDialecticalCommunist

     From the looks of it, this is an image of symbols of Marxist-Leninist states (and the Black Panthers with the black fist). North Korea being a "police state" shouldn't disqualify it from being on this image since it's also Marxist-Leninist.

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     Ramin Honary (ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org)'s status on Sunday, 05-Jan-2025 11:58:01 JST Ramin Honary

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     @TheDialecticalCommunist I really don’t think North Korea should be on that list, it really is a police state. Ask anyone who has gone there for tourism.

     Vietnam and Cuba though, it probably would be really nice to live there if you could learn the language, in spite of them being the victim of sanctions and economic warfare.

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     @ramin_hal9001 @TheDialecticalCommunist

     This is a No True Scotsman fallacy. All countries aren't the same. They each have their own material conditions unique to their countries, and as a result, the establishment of socialism is going to be different in each country. There's no such thing as a "true socialist state" because that would imply that socialism can be build exactly the same in every country, which isn't possible given each countries uniquely different material conditions,... 1/2

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     North Korea being a “police state” shouldn’t disqualify it from being on this image since it’s also Marxist-Leninist.

     @Radical_EgoCom I know this sounds like a “no true Scotsman” kind of thing, but I have yet to see evidence that North Korea is Marxist-Leninist in any way, other that their government sort-of claims to be. Their government structure is not so much ML as it is the praxis of doctrines of Kim Il-Sung, which firstly smells like a cult of personailty, and secondly seems like a complete bastardization of the principles of ML.

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     @ramin_hal9001 @TheDialecticalCommunist

     ...and believing in a "true socialist state" and declaring a state to not be Marxist simply because it doesn't adhere to your specific idea of what socialism should be would ironically be going against dialectical and historical materialism, which posits that material conditions determine the social and political structure of societies, and would be anti-Marxist. 2/2

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     @ramin_hal9001 @TheDialecticalCommunist

     All that you've clearly conveyed is that you don't want to move to North Korea because you dislike their police force, which is fine, but I still have no idea what you mean when you suggest that North Korea has "crossed that wide fuzzy line separating right from wrong." I already understand that you don't want to live in North Korea, but what is it you think North Korea "got wrong?"

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     and believing in a “true socialist state” and declaring a state to not be Marxist simply because it doesn’t adhere to your specific idea of what socialism should be

     I never made any assertion about a “true socialist state” because I don’t know what one is or if it is even possible or desirable. But I am saying that there is are probably degrees to which you can get ML praxis wrong, and I think North Korea has crossed that wide fuzzy line separating right from wrong. It is probably the only country I would never want to go to because the police there are so paranoid and unrestrained.

     Cuba or Vietnam, on the other hand, I am genuinely curious how realistic it would be for me to immigrate to those countries.

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     @ramin_hal9001 @TheDialecticalCommunist

     What is this "line?" You keep mentioning it and North Korea having crossed it being what makes it not Marxist-Leninist. What makes North Korea not Marxist-Leninist?

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     I already understand that you don’t want to live in North Korea, but what is it you think North Korea “got wrong?”

     @Radical_EgoCom to answer your question, I think they implemented Marxism-Leninism all wrong. I see your point about how each countries material conditions are different, this is true. I am just saying that because each country is different, whether you can implement ML correctly is difficult to judge since the line between doing it right and wrong is fuzzy. But at some point you are doing it so wrong that you can’t call it ML anymore, and North Korea crossed that line.

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     @ramin_hal9001 @TheDialecticalCommunist

     North Korea is isolationist because practically every country on the planet is against them. One of the only reasons North Korea is one of the only ML countries that's had to change the least is because of its isolationist tactics. It's a defensive strategy to preserve their existence and protect themselves from capitalist intervention. There isn't anything anti-Marxist about cutting yourself off from a world that wants you to not exist. 1/

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     What is this “line?” You keep mentioning it and North Korea having crossed it being what makes it not Marxist-Leninist. What makes North Korea not Marxist-Leninist?

     @Radical_EgoCom like the line between “guilty” and “not guilty” in a court of law. You look at the evidence, you make a decision. What makes North Korea not Marxist-Leninist is that they are really following the political philosophy of Kim Il-Sung, who was maybe inspired by ML, but seems to me to be quite a different thing from ML entirely. The biggest difference is their lack of international solidarity, their isolationism, their distrust of all foreigners. Also the cult of the Kim family that is enforced by state violence there is I think distinctly anti-Marxist.

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     @ramin_hal9001 @TheDialecticalCommunist

     Plus, North Korea does have alliances with countries outside theirs that actually respects their right to existence, such as China, Cuba, Syria, Russia, Iran, and Venezuela, so these accusations of North Korea having a "lack of international solidarity" and having a "distrust of all foreigners" are blatant untrue. 2/3

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     @ramin_hal9001 @TheDialecticalCommunist

     You're going to have to explain to me why a cult of personality around the Kim family is somehow anti-Marxist. I'm not saying I support it, but I've studied Marxism thoroughly, and there isn't anything from Marx, Engles, Lenin, or any other Marxist theorist that suggest that a state that has a cult of personality can't be Marxist. 3/3