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sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:13:16 JST sampo
it seems that I can't give twitter enough money for them to stop putting unsolicited politics shitting in my home page. I JUST want to see vtuber bullshit dude, I promise I won't ask how tesla sources batteries - snacks likes this.
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:13:15 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@sampo no. we MUST divide public. -
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sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:31:18 JST sampo
@druid oh I'm sure if you read it on /vt/ then in 2 weeks twitter is gonna be empty of vtubers
I haven't looked into bluesky one bit but I assume it's hot garbage that no one's gonna use in the long run. I understand that's kind of a silly thing to post on THE FEDDYVERSE but for the purposes of me stalking e-celebs it actually matters.
I'm the opposite really, I like a decent sized crowd because then it's like I'm not even there. The same reason I'll find any excuse to not log in to discord. I hate the whole chat interaction dynamic anyway, I never post anything if it's not a superchat and even then I don't write anything. I just try to ignore it and I'm thankful when the streamer tries too.Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: and narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: like this. -
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:31:20 JST Druid
@sampo I saw a few threads on /vt/ about it but I'm conditioned to avoid Twitter (they don't even let you view a post properly without an account now.) I don't know how much better bluesky is, I just automatically assumed it'd be just as full of shadowbanning and algorithmic slop as Twitter because capitalism lol
I feel like I'm moving towards smaller chuubas anyway. If you talk in a South Side stream they actually respond to you. Same for their discord. It's comfier and there's no corpo drama at all. -
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sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:31:21 JST sampo
@druid do they? I don't really pay attention, I'm gonna hate it if I have to sign up for another one of these god forsaken websites -
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:31:22 JST Druid
@sampo Lots of chuubas seem to be moving to bluesky anyway right? -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:40:30 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@druid @sampo use your imagination, bro -
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:40:31 JST Druid
@sampo You have paid for superchats? I still haven't given any money to vtubing ever, though I am considering supporting my 1-2views oshi because she would benefit from it.
>Find any excuse not to log into discord
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:42:28 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@druid @sampo I hope you're not exchanging nudes on discord
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:42:29 JST Druid
@hj @sampo I do! -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:45:03 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@druid @sampo no, not on discord. Matrix. -
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:45:05 JST Druid
@hj @sampo We all should be tbh. -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:52:43 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@sampo @druid pretty dressed pics then -
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sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 01:52:44 JST sampo
@hj @druid I'm trying to build a family-friendly brand here, I haven't posted nudes on the internet in many many years -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:03:19 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@druid @sampo
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:03:20 JST Druid
@sampo @hj You posted nudes? Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:05:14 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@sampo @druid ok
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sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:05:15 JST sampo
@druid @hj it was before the feddyverse, don't worry about it -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:06:19 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@druid @sampo drink more water
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:06:20 JST Druid
@sampo @hj I'm not WORRIED, I'm THIRSTY!! mischievoustomato repeated this. -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:07:15 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:07:16 JST Druid
@hj @sampo NO
I DEMAND PEE -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:08:47 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:08:49 JST Druid
@hj @sampo Watching vtubers gives you a pee fixation. Pomu's blissful faces while peeing.... Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:12:17 JST sampo
@hj @druid if you don't like PP you need to GTFO -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:12:51 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@sampo @druid sure. Mute conversation my beloved -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:13:19 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@druid @sampo this you?
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:13:20 JST Druid
@sampo @hj Gura needed notes to remind her to pee apparently, I hope she peed herself on stream. (Wouldn't know, I'm not a holosimp) mischievoustomato repeated this. -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:14:54 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@druid @sampo pee is scat -
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:14:55 JST Druid
@hj @sampo NO
SCAT IS TOO FAR
NOT EVEN ONCE
PLEASE IMAGINE YOUR OWN DISGUSTED SPACE MARINE POSTED BACK AT YOU -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:15:05 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@hj @druid @sampo
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:15:23 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@druid @sampo also that isn't space marine
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:15:56 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@lanodan @druid @sampo still better experience than XMPP MUCs -
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sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:16:29 JST sampo
@hj @druid this is just so wrong it hurts Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:19:06 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@sampo @druid whatever, you can keep your scatological tendencies, i'm out of here for good. -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:19:20 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@hj @druid @sampo Well XMPP has the problem that almost nobody is using it and clients are like 80% done, meanwhile matrix you have element which is full of bugs and huge pile of barely even 50% done clients. -
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:24:12 JST Druid
@lanodan @sampo @hj Exactly, but the unusability of alternatives doesn't stop people on fedi from screaming at the slightest mention of discord. Working on software does something to your brain. Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:38:48 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@druid @sampo @hj
> Working on software does something to your brain.
Yeah, definitely does, after all you'd probably care about your craft and what you can do with it.
It's the curse of knowing how something works and having the ability to do a better version of it. Specially with anything libre software adjacent as that allows you to scratch that itch.
And Discord, there's many reasons to not like it, like most software.
Be them more or less taste or some kind of ethics, which people love to annoyingly shove on others.
And Discord has this thing where it's like refusing to use msn/skype/facebook/twitter, people hate it, and unlike xmpp/matrix/… where maybe the other person could fix the bugs, it's not going to be the case with those. -
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sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:38:59 JST sampo
@lanodan @druid @hj it all sucks. the worst part is that no matter which software you use, you will end up chatting with someone Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 02:42:21 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@sampo @druid @hj Yeah, which is why I also get it when people are annoyed you need to create an account to just read/browse.
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 03:02:59 JST Druid
@lanodan @sampo @hj I understand these two things aren’t related at all but I liken it to my feelings on Abrahamic religion. I have spent a LOT of time immersing myself in religious study and also did a lot to try and “break” myself and receive revelation etc. I even summoned a spirit to learn from it. I have been obsessed with deboonking Christianity since I was a little boy and that has morphed over time into a feeling that this branch of religions presents a real and present threat, that its deities (there are multiple even if they deny it, the angels for example are deities) are real and harmful.
It’s at the point where I can’t see a single “my brother in Christ” joke or even a particularly Christian Christmas joke without wanting to come in and say “🤓Ackshually…” but the thing is, that doesn’t work because:
1: Most people don’t believe in or care about what I’m saying (just like most people don’t give a fuck about the proprietary software debate) 2: Of the ones who do care about / believe in / understand anything that I’m saying, the chances of them actually agreeing are millions to one, and we will inevitably get into a bitter spat over minutiae (just like how even other techbros will argue about distros and other shit) 3: Of the ones who might actually listen / understand / agree, very few have any understanding whatsoever of how to meaningfully (as in even your deepest dreaming subconscious converts, not as in the usual ceremonial LARP) convert from one religion to another and when asked for details I end up fumbling around for a place to begin teaching an ordinary person elementary magic (just like how even someone like me who is receptive to the arguments of the FOSS community will then ultimately do nothing about it due to the time/learning wall) 4: Of the presented alternatives, none are readily accessible becaue westerners generally have a poor grasp of non-Abrahamic religion and they will eventually hit language barriers studying the Dharma etc. (just like how even telling a newbie to install Ubuntu will create a gigantic project of hassle for them, as the “it just works trust me bro it’s for casuals” gradually desolves into the usual nightmarish driver fiddling and help begging for totally unknown and initially indecipherable terminal commands)
Thinking about this made me realise that my approach is wrong. If I actually want to have a meaningful impact on the world in this way then I am going to have to present myself and what I am saying very differently. I’m going to have to re-learn the mindset of an uninitiated person. Demanding they reach my level of literacy is not practical.
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 03:07:21 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@druid @sampo @hj Yeah Markdown makes me relies on the preview feature.
BBCode doesn't which is why I tend to use it, neither does HTML but well I've been writing in raw HTML for more than 10 years so I can avoid the traps. -
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 03:07:22 JST Druid
@lanodan @hj @sampo Markdown fucked up the paragraphs but it's not like deleting or editing posts has ever worked correctly (lol) so deal -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 03:21:21 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@druid @sampo @hj
> Thinking about this made me realise that my approach is wrong. If I actually want to have a meaningful impact on the world in this way then I am going to have to present myself and what I am saying very differently.
Yeah, no idea when, but I strongly prefer the approach of showing/demonstrating and letting people take the step and show interest.
Like how few times I accidentally made some people interested in veganism by just picking tasty food at restaurant/food-truck/… that they ended up trying and also liked.
To me that's the best form of activism.
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 03:41:39 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@druid @sampo @hj I don't think foss wins by comparing it to the industry at day1, yet a lot of foss advocates try hard at day1.
Although VLC sweeped out QuickTime/RealPlayer/WindowsMediaPlayer/… pretty quickly. And funnily I wouldn't say VLC has a good UI, like discoverability of features is pretty bad. Almost feels like competition just didn't want to actually compete and just gave up.
But to me foss is something that wins out in the long run, specially against VC-funded software that will eventually go to shit due to investors or acquisitions.
Sadly software maintenance isn't easy, like imagine if VLC couldn't support newer codecs even with a slight workaround like with plugins.
And sometimes it's in a loosing battle, like yt-dlp and NewPipe are in, but it's a needed one until a real alternative shows up (peertube by itself isn't, similarly owncloud is cool but it's too DIY for most, …).prettygood and Another Linux Walt Alt like this. -
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 03:41:40 JST Druid
@lanodan @sampo @hj I like that last line as an analogy a lot lol
You are right, the best way to lead is by example. If you can show a person that your way is superior, that's the most effective thing you can do. I used to think that FOSS had it hard in this regard since the difference isn't immediately obvious to a grandma, but honestly in the modern day you could probably just show someone fedi vs twitter and let them see how much faster things load and how there aren't ads and shit everywhere, or show someone the difference between (for example) Newpipe and Streamfab and let them behold how one of them is a slow laggy janky piece of garbage that begs for your money, opens popups and otherwise behaves like trash, and the other one is fast, lightweight, immediate, and skips ads. -
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 03:52:01 JST Druid
@lanodan @sampo @hj Good point about VLC. That pretty much embodies what I'm saying, because while it's hardly a flashy piece of software it's valued for its simplicity, lightweight nature and the knowledge that you're not installing malware. I think you're right, proprietary competition gave up, and it's because they shot themselves in the foot by trying to make watching videos a Proprietary Experience™ and people got sick of it.
That's the kind of penetrability I'm talking about. This reddit thread is a good example:
https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1elmlvy/best_webbased_youtube_video_downloader/
It's comment after comment of people saying "try THIS site, it's not THAT bad" and other people saying "It's down" or "It watermarks" or "It doesn't do long videos" or whatever over and over again. Then down at the bottom you have this exchange between people who understand software well and know how to use docker where they bypassed all the struggle instantly.
Imagine if the person had been able to say "You can use metube" without any additional context, and clicking on its github page presented you with binaries, including a Windows one. The whole thread would have been over. None of these people would ever have used garbageware to download videos again. Many of them would probably have had this as their first taste of the technologically liberated side of the internet. But it's all dead in the cradle because normal people don't know how to compile, or what docker is, or what a tarball is, or any of this shit.
It's so frustrating, it would only take a little push. XMPP is a great example because all it would really take is for someone to port Conversations to desktop. But whoever made it only cared about deveoping an Android client, and everyone else is content fumbling because it's what they do all day every day when fannying about with linux anyway.Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 03:59:13 JST sampo
@lanodan @druid @hj VLC is a good example because it's the perfect case where FOSS can shine: the proprietary competition is bogged down by proprietary BULLSHIT. no codec support, there's no money to be made etc
the flip side of this also explains why proprietary software sometimes wins, eg. discord vs xmpp: the FOSS competition is bogged down by FOSS BULLSHIT
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 04:14:29 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@druid @sampo @hj Well looking in it, metube made itself pretty much stuck to docker, so now it's usable by effectively just sysadmins and most will hate it.
Which makes no fucking sense but so many developers have no idea how to either ship software to users or have it being shippable to users, would have made sense in the 90's when people barely used computers but these days everyone is stuck with those things. -
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Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader: (nerthos@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 06:04:38 JST Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader:
@sampo bluesky is just gayer twitter. And I mean campus gay. Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: likes this. -
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Druid (druid@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 15:59:27 JST Druid
@Paradox @sampo Bluesky at least lets me view threads without trying to poz me so there's that Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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Paradox (paradox@raru.re)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 15:59:29 JST Paradox
@sampo @druid
Bluesky /might/ supercede Twitter by virtue of not being in Elon's hands. And Twitter might slowly become a new Truthsocial at the rate it's going.
BS still has some major wrinkles to iron out, though. It's definitely not fedi-esque in its design. Then again I'm not exactly an avid user either. I don't love it, but I respect what others see in it. -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 16:06:37 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@sampo @druid @Paradox Yeah, bigtubers could be anywhere and in the end as long as you can somewhat read what they post once in a while I don't think it really matters (what, you think they'll read you? they probably won't).
Although it would be pretty cool to have more small vtubers on fedi (only ones I know are Cyan and Lina, but it's more tech and chatting than like comedic gremlins). -
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sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 16:06:38 JST sampo
@Paradox @druid we'll see, I'm not gonna bet on it. I don't think anyone in the real world gives a fuck about elon, certainly not to the point of upending the entire hierarchy of social media sites. in this highly specific case vtubers might just be terminally online enough to get on board with something like that, but in the end what they're doing is promoting their business so the bigger platform wins. commercial slop stays where the eyeballs are, and people at large stay where the commercial slop is.
again I don't really know what I'm talking about but I would predict that bluesky is gonna be fedi-tier successful, which means that it'll work nicely for a niche audience to find a smaller group of friends to chat with, perhaps the way social media was meant to work in the first place. I'm not gonna shit on the rules they have too much, some people like that stuff. but if it ever becomes anything more than that, something very weird will have to happen. -
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sampo (sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 17:06:25 JST sampo
@lanodan @druid @Paradox that would be a bit surreal but I'd be into it. I think it would necessitate a return to the olden days when artists had just one super rich sugar daddy instead of being beggars on the street, the streets around here aren't ideal for that Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Tuesday, 24-Dec-2024 22:36:20 JST mischievoustomato