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   ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 15-Dec-2024 08:51:34 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

   I mean...it's true, you know?
   #socialism #communism #capitalism #classwar
   #brianthompson #LuigiMangione #ceodown #ceomurder #CEOhunt #ceoshooter #ceokiller

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     RebelGeek99 (rebelgeek99@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 15-Dec-2024 09:05:38 JST RebelGeek99

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     @Radical_EgoCom Dr Glaucofecalnoem is trending on YouTube, tone policing and bitter that his lighthearted jabs at the medical-pharma industrial complex have yielded far less. But he does get his clicks in.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 15-Dec-2024 09:24:40 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     Just saw Dr Glaucofecalnoem's video "My Thoughts on the United Healthcare CEO Murder." I agreed with everything except the first part where he said that murder is always bad, even if the person is bad (paraphrase). Poor and suffering people don't care about adhering to objectivist moral axioms about murder always being bad when they live in a capitalist system where them being murdered is the social norm. Such moral principles don't help anyone except the ruling capitalist class.

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     RebelGeek99 (rebelgeek99@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 15-Dec-2024 10:40:04 JST RebelGeek99

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     @Radical_EgoCom right on. I take everything he says with a large grain of salt after he led the charge to pack into crowded unmasked medical conferences starting in 2022, after which it became customary for a large fraction of attendees to post their positive C19 results on social media instead of actually practicing preventive medicine. I remain disappointed in him after that, but he is good at getting attention.

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     Sordid Amok! (sordidamok@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 15-Dec-2024 14:07:07 JST Sordid Amok!

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     @Radical_EgoCom If *one* person with a pistol is good, then....

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     Raven Luni (ravenluni@furry.engineer)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 00:40:19 JST Raven Luni

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     @Radical_EgoCom Stop calling them the ruling class - theres no such thing!

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 00:40:20 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     There is such thing as a ruling class. Every state has a ruling class. That is the reason states exist, for a ruling class to subject to their will other classes, and in the modern capitalist state the ruling class is the bourgeois class, which uses state power to subject to their will the proletarian class, as well as the other working classes that are slowly being turned into proletarians. This is Marxism 101. I would suggest reading more Marxist theory on the subject.

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     Raven Luni (ravenluni@furry.engineer)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 00:53:12 JST Raven Luni

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     @Radical_EgoCom I refuse to subscribe to the idea might have been a better choice of words.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 00:53:12 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     It's a fact of life. You choosing not to subscribe to the idea doesn't make it not true. That would just be self-deceptive.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 01:14:53 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     @RavenLuni

     People are comfortable using those terms because they accurately describe the reality of class dynamics.

     Seeing something as not true when it is isn't beneficial to solving the problems of class struggle. In order to solve a problem, the problem has to be acknowledged. If the ruling class is to be overthrown by the working class, the working class has to actually acknowledge that the ruling class exists.

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     Raven Luni (ravenluni@furry.engineer)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 01:14:54 JST Raven Luni

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     @Radical_EgoCom It embodies the will to see it not be true - and the hope of an opportunity to help make that happen ;)

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     Jess👾 (jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 01:38:43 JST Jess👾

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     @Radical_EgoCom It's impossible to force those in power to negotiate with non-violence protests until negotiation with non-violent protestors becomes the more rational path than dealing with the increasingly destructive extremists.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 01:38:43 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     Negotiations between those in power and peaceful protesters have been ineffective at making any lasting change in regard to wealth inequality and capitalist exploitation. Negations and peaceful protests have proven to be failures of methods that ultimately only benefit those in power.

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     Ember (facsimile_willows@veganism.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 20:23:23 JST Ember

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     @RavenLuni @Radical_EgoCom So long as people are on the same general page, I don't care too much about details, but I definitely agree with Cat.

     Beyond just the ruling class, a clear objective is the abolition of class as a whole. That, however, is not something which can ever be achieved without acknowledging current class antagonisms. Proceeding with rhetoric and strategies that refuse to engage with class, while our material reality is so clearly impacted by it, unfortunately seems very counter productive. It is desirable to the bourgeoisie for their position as a ruling class to be obscured. As a consequence, most people right now already have effectively no grasp on capitalist classes, and any concept of "the elite" is usually misguided at best. We want people to become more aware of class so we can build class solidarity among the proletariat. We don't want people to preemptively reject class on an ideological level, and subsequently become incapable of rejecting class on an actionable level.

     To put it simply, if you dismiss the reality of the bourgeois ruling class, you also are dismissing targeted resistance against them as mere individualistic violence.

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     Большевик (bolschewik@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Dec-2024 16:52:51 JST Большевик

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     As much as I have no compassion for that CEO and no hard feelings for Mangione, I anyway tend to disagree. There is no alternative to organizing the working class, no shortcut to revolution. You can drop the "peaceful", but organization of the masses is key. Just look at the what RAF achieved - or better didn't achieve - with their radical revolutionary impatience in Germany. Again, not that I have any sympathy for their targets, but this is just not the path to revolution.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Dec-2024 20:37:42 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     @bolschewik

     Did I say, or does this meme say, there is an alternative to working class revolution? No, I didn't, and it doesn't. This meme isn't even specifically about working class revolution. It's expressing the opinion that this act of violence against the bourgeoisie has shaken the bourgeoisie more than decades of peaceful organization, not that working class organization in general is bad. I have no idea where you got the idea that that was what this meme is saying, but it clearly isn't.

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     Большевик (bolschewik@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Dec-2024 20:45:07 JST Большевик

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     I'm convinced successful organization of the working class shakes and worries the ruling class much more than a singular incidence of killing a CEO. So I might have argued on a different level than you meme does, but my point stands. Apart from mass media hyping this topic for views, I'm convinced the ruling class rests quite assured, that this is an isolated phenomenon - at least for now. They're just gonna up their security standards a bit and continue business as usual.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Dec-2024 20:55:52 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     @bolschewik

     What the meme is trying to convey, from my understanding, is that when the ruling class's lives are threatened, even in an insignificant way such as by only one of their own being killed, they will be more disrupted that a peaceful protest that doesn't threaten the ruling class's existence in any way, not that this act was literally more impactful than literally every peaceful protest, at least that is the most rational way I can interpret this meme that makes any sense.

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     Большевик (bolschewik@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Dec-2024 21:02:15 JST Большевик

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     Got you. But anyway, let me give an example: I guarantee you, that the German rail workers striking last year or the Austrian pilots striking two years ago (to name only two relatively insignificant strikes in recent years) each shook the capitalist class much more than the killing of said CEO. Because they were real displays of working class power, the results of (peaceful) organizing. They cost profits massively and are just a glimpse of what e.g. a general strike could do.