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    Lykanthrocide (lykanthrocide@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 08:35:22 JST Lykanthrocide Lykanthrocide
    • BowserNoodle ☦️
    • Redpill Bot
    • King_Noticer
    • flux_the_cat (too cool for soundcloud)
    • Max Mustermann
    I've done some digging into the Jewish role in American slavery on and off over the past few months. Special thanks to @RedpillBot for the memes that encouraged me to do a deep dive into this. (The last bit from the Jewish Encyclopedia is a transcription from a meme from the redpill folder). Please feel free to use this info for any future memes, infodumps, etc.

    Based on my own research, the "40%" statistics shared by David Duke and others are off by my calculations, but please feel free to double check my numbers, sources, etc. Here's a write-up on my findings:



    Let's be generous and assume there were no black slaveowners or American indian slaveholders (though there were).

    According to the Encyclopedia of World Slavery by Junius Rodriguez,

    "A few Jews even became prominent slaveowning planters in the Old South … as successful as these Jewish Southerners were by Southern standards, they represent a very tiny percentage of the 20,000 Jews residing in the antebellum South who could, or would, ever aspire to own a slave. About 5,000 Jews owned one or more slaves — about 1.25 percent of all the slaveowners in the antebellum South."

    According to "Jews and the Civil War" by Jonathan D. Sarna at Brandeis University, about 25000 jews lived in the south (https://www.brandeis.edu/hornstein/sarna/americanjewishcultureandscholarship/Jews%20and%20the%20Civil%20War.pdf) at the start of the Civil War. Assuming Rodriguez' numbers are from the period, this means that 20%-25% of jews in the south owned slaves.

    So, 20-25% of jews in the South owned slaves. One in 4 to one in 5 jews.

    According to the 1860 US census (which does not distinguish between whites and jews), these are the white populations of the southern states:

    Alabama - 526271
    Arkansas - 324143
    Florida - 77746
    Georgia - 591550
    Louisiana - 357456
    Mississippi - 353899
    N. Carolina - 629942
    S. Carolina - 291300
    Tennessee - 826722
    Texas - 420891
    Virginia - 712089

    This amounts to a total of 5112009 "whites" living in the South. (https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1880/vol-01-population/1880_v1-13.pdf) Subtract 25000 jews from that and you get 5087009. The total number of slave holders in the South in 1860 was 393,975 (https://socialequity.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/8.10.20.pdf). Subtract the 5000 jews from that and you have 388,975, or 7.6%.

    Let's also take a more generous route with Rodriguez' numbers. Let's subtract 20000 jews instead of 25000 from the total white population yielding 5092009. Again, the total number of slave holders in the South in 1860 was 393,975. Using a ratio to determine the number of slave-holding jews to satisfy the assumption that a lower population means lower slave-owner count, we'll subtract 4000 jews (instead of Sarna's 5000) from that and you have 389,975, or, again, 7.6%. The only difference is a fraction of a percent.

    To recap:
    20%-25% of jews in the South owned slaves - 1 in 4 to 1 in 5
    7% of whites in the South owned slaves - less than 1 in 10

    This means that a slaveowner was about 3 times more likely to be jewish than to be white. Again, this is assuming all slaveowners were white or jews; there were black and American tribe slaveholders as well which would skew the white slaveowner population to even smaller proportions.

    To give another bit of trivia, according to Jacob Rader Marcus, a historian and Reform rabbi, in his four-volume history of Americans jews, over 75 percent of jewish families in Charleston, South Carolina; Richmond, Virginia; and Savannah, Georgia, owned slaves, and nearly 40 percent of jewish households across the country owned slaves.

    Finally, the Jewish Encyclopedia has this to say about the jews' role in New World agriculture:

    "On the virgin soil of America the Jews were among the puioneers of agriculture. While Louis de Torres introduced tobacco into use for civilized manking (Kayserlingh, "Columbus," p. 95), Jews transplanted the sugar-cane from Madeira to Brazil in 1548 (according to Fishell; see M.J. Kohler, "Publ. Am. Jew. Hist. Soc." ii. 94) or in 1531 (Lindo, in G.A. Kohut's article ibid. iii. 135; compare Joseph ha-Kohen, in R. Gottheil's translation, ibid. ii. 133). During the seventeenth century the sugar industry was monopolized by the Jews, and with their expulsion from Brazil it was transplanted to the West Indies, where, in 1663, David de Marcato's invention of new sugar-mills benefited the sugar-trade in Barbados. The Jews in Georgia, chief among them Abraham de Lyon, transplanted vine and silk culture from Portugal to America ("Publ. Am. Jew. Hist. Soc." i. 10). But while de Lyon cherished great expectations in that direction, the Jews of Georgia in general found the production of indigo, rice, corn, tobacco, and cotton more profitable (ibid. p. 12). In fact, the cotton-plantations in many parts of the South were wholly in the hands of the Jews, and as a consequence slavery found its advocates among them."


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      Lykanthrocide (lykanthrocide@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 11:15:18 JST Lykanthrocide Lykanthrocide
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      @maxmustermann > are Jews generic?

      Elaborate.
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      @lykanthrocide @maxmustermann Yeah I want to know more about this.
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      @lykanthrocide @BowsacNoodle @King_Noticer @RedpillBot @flux_the_cat Interesting. A middle man class monopolized the most lucrative crops to itself and relied on the cheapest labor one could get. Meanwhile cuck Lee freed his slaves. By the way; Are Jews generic?
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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 11:19:59 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @lykanthrocide @King_Noticer @RedpillBot @flux_the_cat @maxmustermann Thank you for the sourced effortpost friend. I looked into this a few years ago but not to this extent. The slave houses being closed on Saturday in the Antebellum South is the one that shocked me the most when I first heard it. See if you can find any better data on household size for jews or gentiles during the time period in the rich and poor classes. A lot of the "slave owners" are really concentrated to specific families who owned the lion's share of forced labor. Average slave owner had one and the top quintile had several. I wonder how that tip quintile maps on to the jew vs gentile distribution and if that would skew things further.
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      Lykanthrocide (lykanthrocide@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 11:57:22 JST Lykanthrocide Lykanthrocide
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      I appreciate the interest! Really, I only looked into this out of curiosity and a desire to correct some false but well-meaning information that I originally saw in the redpill folder from @RedpillBot. I saw the statistics were definitely in favor of the jews controlling the slave trade, but I couldn't find any reliable paper trail on the reasoning behind it.
      I didn't dig any deeper than what my post tells. I tried parsing out family sizes, etc. but the census information is either very well hidden or non-existant. As I mention in my post, the 1860 American census doesn't even distinguish between jews and whites. It would take a much deeper dive into nooks and crannies of 19th century records that may not even be available this side of a paywall. I'm not willing to pay for it, much less to give a public library the time of day for it. What I found out satisfies me.
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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 12:03:22 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @lykanthrocide @King_Noticer @RedpillBot @flux_the_cat @maxmustermann Understandable. You can find incredibly detailed family trees and genealogy records from Family search, a project the Mormons sponsor. If you decide to look further, delving into a few known jewish families in a targeted area will get you a lot of other names you can search. Even a few estimates would be useful. The biggest reason to look at this is the other archives and historical sources they link to, all free or public records without paywalls. Lots of neat American history stuff, and you can find some European things as well.
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      Lykanthrocide (lykanthrocide@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 12:28:53 JST Lykanthrocide Lykanthrocide
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      Interesting! The Mormons are something of a wild card. They're basically Freemasons with a pseudo-Christian coat of paint and a dash of Gnosticism, but they fund some great resources and projects, including Christian ones (e.g. The Chosen and the 80s-90s Animated Stories from the New Testament). They're obviously not Christian, but, by God's grace, they throw their money in a general direction useful for the Kingdom.
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