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   Vee (veroniqueb99@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 07:11:00 JST Vee

   For people outside the US, this is a classic example and by no means a rarity.

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     Arne Babenhauserheide (arnebab@rollenspiel.social)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 07:10:59 JST Arne Babenhauserheide

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     @VeroniqueB99 I don’t understand how the US insurance system can fail at such a classic case while the same case in Germany just works.

     In Germany, after the cancer is defeated, you can continue building your life almost from the same financial position you had before cancer.

     That is what happened in my family, and the insurances and pension system even paid for rehab.

     No life savings lost, because protection against such high damage, low probability risks is just what insurance is for.

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     Vee (veroniqueb99@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 07:26:30 JST Vee

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     • Arne Babenhauserheide

     @ArneBab It works in EVERY other democratic country.

     In France, you'd paid NOTHING if you have cancer. Period. Not the chemo, not the operations/radiation, hospitaliztion $0. There are so many countries that place health as a human right but not the US. 🤷♀️

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     Jiří Eischmann (sesivany@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 15:46:37 JST Jiří Eischmann

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     • Arne Babenhauserheide

     @VeroniqueB99 @ArneBab the same here in Czechia. My father was fighting cancer for 7 years and never paid anything. The insurance company even reimbursed travel costs to the hospital.

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     Paul Sutton (zleap@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 16:36:37 JST Paul Sutton

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     @VeroniqueB99

     We need more of this as it helps the rest of the world understand your situation re healthcare, the NHS may not be perfect but at leasat it works for the people and we can get treatment if needed.

     We are so lucky in the UK to have the NHS

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     StreetDogg (streetdogg@norden.social)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 19:34:16 JST StreetDogg

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     • Arne Babenhauserheide

     @ArneBab @VeroniqueB99 It didn't fail. It's just designed to generate profit and some people made some nice money by looting this family that didn't have much of a choice. It works as designed. Sick people are easy targets and milked dry efficiently.

     Why so many american voters think this is good actually, or not possible to be designed for the benefit of the people instead, is beyond me, though. That's some next level brainwashing as it is only possible in the US of A, I think. For now anyway.

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     AlgoCompSynth by znmeb 🇺🇦 (algocompsynth@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 19:34:28 JST AlgoCompSynth by znmeb 🇺🇦

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     @VeroniqueB99 Recruit voters!! That's the only way we can get this fixed. One deranged gunman taking out one lawfully-encouraged greedy CEO makes it worse, not better!

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     Jhooper (jhooper@techhub.social)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 19:34:28 JST Jhooper

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     • AlgoCompSynth by znmeb 🇺🇦

     @AlgoCompSynth @VeroniqueB99 The CEO of United Healthcare was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands. If killing someone saves the lives of others, I don't see how that's a bad thing.

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     kikebenlloch (kikebenlloch@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 20:49:42 JST kikebenlloch

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     • Arne Babenhauserheide
     • StreetDogg

     @StreetDogg @ArneBab @VeroniqueB99 That may've well been the case for decades but since the dawn of the 21st century I see an increasing amount of radical anticapitalist views from US citizens. I cannot foresee the outcome but they seem to me so absolutely let down by late stage capitalism (how to earn a minimum living wage, where to live/shelter that one can afford, how to deal with health issues since all sickness has been turned into a business model...) that they're absolutely mad at it all.

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     Arne Babenhauserheide (arnebab@rollenspiel.social)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 20:49:42 JST Arne Babenhauserheide

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     @kikebenlloch I see a mix of Anarchocapitalist ("let’s make society even more capitalist, then it will be better for sure! Why not allow people to haggle about a pricetag for murder?") and radical anticapitalist ("nothing can be solved without first destroying capitalism!").

     I don’t think that either of those actually helps.

     @StreetDogg @VeroniqueB99

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     StreetDogg (streetdogg@norden.social)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 20:49:43 JST StreetDogg

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     • kikebenlloch

     @kikebenlloch @ArneBab @VeroniqueB99 It can happen everywhere over time, but there's something unique about the US.

     I think during the Cold War they talked themselves into being so anti-communism and pro-capitalism, that they have a long-lasting mental blockade about state services that actually work. The mindset was "it's either capitalistic or it's the enemy" for generations and instead of getting rid of that self-harming sillyness, they are spreading it to other countries.

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     kikebenlloch (kikebenlloch@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 20:49:44 JST kikebenlloch

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     @StreetDogg @ArneBab @VeroniqueB99 I actually think it can happen anywhere. There are well funded political forces in so many countries (in Western Europe or Latin America for instance) favouring extreme wealth concentration and limitation of labour, health & civil rights while wearing a populist mask on... and millions of citizens are buying into that. These movements have great possibilities of getting away with it all if allowed to gain momentum. Some are already in power.