Carmen Bianca BAKKER
god i loathe the #gpl
sorry not sorry. this document reads like sandpaper. the whole #copyleft virality thing depends on like one or two vague sentences.
i love what this licence stands for, but i loathe reading it so much.
can we switch to the eupl or something already
SuperDicq
@carmenbianca@todon.eu The EUPL is a giant mess too.
The EUPL is not compatible with the GPLv3-or-later. But technically speaking you can relicense the EUPL to the GPLv3-or-later through a loophole using the CeCILL license (EUPL compatible, which in turn is compatible with the GPLv3-or-later).
Frankly the EUPL has too many compatible licenses to provide any sort of copyleft at all.
The EUPL is also compatible with many much weaker licenses such as the LGPL, EPL, MPL, etc. making the strong-ish copyleft of the initial license pointless.
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Carmen Bianca BAKKER
i've gone off the deep end. the lgpl and agpl are not compatible.
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Carmen Bianca BAKKER
SuperDicq
@carmenbianca@todon.eu I don't think that's as important as the legal validity of the document.
You can say the GPLv3 is vague to read for the average person, but it definitely isn't vague in court because it gets enforced properly all the time. That's what really matters I think.
Carmen Bianca BAKKER
@SuperDicq i don't disagree, but i can read the eupl and understand it 😫
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Carmen Bianca BAKKER
@SuperDicq i understand what you are saying, and to some extent i echo that sentiment, but while theoretically the most important utility of a licence is to hold up in court to defend software freedom, there are far far far more scenarios where the licence must be read and understood by people who aren't legal experts trying to learn if something is possible or not.
in my case, i needed to:
- double-check whether people can use an agpl module on an lgpl server software;
- and verify whether people can use an agpl module on the non-free version of that lgpl server software.
this was absolutely painful to research, and the fsf (for good or for ill) is very little help when it comes to any matter involving compatibility with non-free software.
a better licence wouldn't be such a pain to read.
SuperDicq
@carmenbianca@todon.eu >there are far far far more scenarios where the licence must be read and understood by people who aren't legal experts trying to learn if something is possible or not.
This is why you can just look up licenses on Wikipedia and there usually is some short form non-legalese description. Never was a problem for me.
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