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   Carmen Bianca BAKKER (carmenbianca@todon.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 00:20:18 JST Carmen Bianca BAKKER

   god i loathe the #gpl

   sorry not sorry. this document reads like sandpaper. the whole #copyleft virality thing depends on like one or two vague sentences.

   i love what this licence stands for, but i loathe reading it so much.

   can we switch to the eupl or something already

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 00:20:16 JST SuperDicq

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     @carmenbianca@todon.eu The EUPL is a giant mess too.
     
     The EUPL is not compatible with the GPLv3-or-later. But technically speaking you can relicense the EUPL to the GPLv3-or-later through a loophole using the CeCILL license (EUPL compatible, which in turn is compatible with the GPLv3-or-later).
     
     Frankly the EUPL has too many compatible licenses to provide any sort of copyleft at all.
     
     The EUPL is also compatible with many much weaker licenses such as the LGPL, EPL, MPL, etc. making the strong-ish copyleft of the initial license pointless.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 00:26:43 JST 翠星石

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     @carmenbianca Which license do you loathe?
     There are many fine masterpieces to choose from;
     https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.en.html
     https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html
     https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-3.0.en.html
     https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/lgpl-2.1.en.html
     https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.en.html
     
     >virality thing
     The freedom does not spread via viral action to merely aggregated software.
     
     You must explicitly choose to take a piece and if you do, the freedom grows just like a spider plant.
     
     >one or two vague sentences.
     The freedom depends on several paragraphs that are quite clear and not in any way vague.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 00:31:42 JST 翠星石

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     @carmenbianca >the lgpl and agpl are not compatible.
     AGPLv3-or-later and the LGPLv3-or-later (or LGPLv2.1-or-later) are indeed compatible.
     
     The Lesser GPL is the ordinary GPL plus a few exceptions, thus you can choose to upgrade from Lesser to ordinary.
     
     You can upgrade LGPLv3+ to GPLv3+, which is AGPLv3+ compatible.
     
     You can also upgrade LGPLv2.1+ to LGPLv3+ and then do as above.
     
     
     While LGPLv2.1-only and AGPLv3+ are not compatible, that's really the fault of the developer(s) who licensed -only and not the AGPLv3 and really you should try to convince those developers to relicense to -or-later and remove their project from the dead-end they've placed it into.
     
     https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#gpl-compat-matrix
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     Carmen Bianca BAKKER (carmenbianca@todon.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 00:31:44 JST Carmen Bianca BAKKER

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     i've gone off the deep end. the lgpl and agpl are not compatible.

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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 00:38:52 JST GNU Too

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     @carmenbianca what is the eupl?
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     Carmen Bianca BAKKER (carmenbianca@todon.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 00:40:26 JST Carmen Bianca BAKKER

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     • GNU Too

     @gnu2 https://eupl.eu/1.2/en

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 01:29:55 JST SuperDicq

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     @carmenbianca@todon.eu I don't think that's as important as the legal validity of the document.
     
     You can say the GPLv3 is vague to read for the average person, but it definitely isn't vague in court because it gets enforced properly all the time. That's what really matters I think.

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     Carmen Bianca BAKKER (carmenbianca@todon.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 01:29:56 JST Carmen Bianca BAKKER

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     • SuperDicq

     @SuperDicq i don't disagree, but i can read the eupl and understand it 😫