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   Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2024 23:28:25 JST Hyolobrika

   • Strypey
   Can someone give me an overview of what's going on in NZ?
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2024 23:50:30 JST Hyolobrika

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     @thatbrickster @strypey Seems so. But I don't know more than that. I.e. what are they angry about? what's the whole context?
     
     I could look this up elsewhere but I want to hear about it from people that I know with their biases and spin instead of the biases and spin of a random journalist that I don't know or Wikipedia.
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2024 23:50:31 JST Bricky

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     @Hyolobrika I've not been online much but I suspect the Maori are making a lot of political noise.
     
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     m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2024 23:50:35 JST m0xEE

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     @Hyolobrika @strypey
     Cats have eaten everything and now suffer the consequences 😿
     About the only thing I know about New Zealand 😅

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     m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2024 23:50:37 JST m0xEE

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     @Hyolobrika @strypey
     Oh, it was a quote post, I don't see those from this instance 😬
     Considering there WAS some context, my reply might seem inappropriate, sorry.

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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 00:05:26 JST Bricky

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     @Hyolobrika The NZ Govt is seeking to reinterpret its founding treaty, signed between the Maori and the British in 1840, which would redefine Maori rights. It has been so unpopular that schools aren't marking pupils as absent and mayors are joining the protests.
     
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 00:08:18 JST Hyolobrika

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     @thatbrickster @strypey Nvm, I'll just read the news
     https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckgrwem73gmt
     Sorry
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     Nicholas Conrad (nicholas@aklp.club)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 00:55:24 JST Nicholas Conrad

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     From what I've been able to peice together, when the British signed their treaty with the Maori people, there were 2 versions: one in English, and one in the Maori language. Most of the Maori unsurprisingly signed the version in their own language. But apparently the translation between the two versions was not very good as for instance the English version says they submit to the sovereignty of the queen, while the Maori version says they retain autonomy.

     These inconsistencies between the versions caused much consternation and heartburn between the Maori and NZ government so in the 70s they created a commission that is supposed to look at any places the two treaties differ in meaning and issue reports to the government on proposed legislation that might violate the Maori version of treaty, and address past violations. It doesn't seem like the commission's reports carry the force of law, but I gather that the NZ courts have adopted a posture of deference to them.

     Apparently some people (I presume predominantly non-Maori) feel this commission has rather over-broadly interpreted the rights and privileges the non-english version bestows to the Maori people vis-a-vis the English version, and object that this fundamental undermines liberal democratic values like equal treatment under the law. So they have introduced legislation that would put rules in place for how the commission is allowed to interpret the treaty. AFAICT basically trying to legistlate originalism in their interpretation.

     People opposed to the legislation are, somewhat predictably, calling the people who want the legislation 'racist'. Much ballyhooing ensues.

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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 06:05:06 JST Bricky

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     @Hyolobrika Doesn't help I was phoneposting. I've not been online much as a result.
     
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 06:06:10 JST Hyolobrika

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     @thatbrickster @strypey Yeah, I find it much easier to type using an actual keyboard too
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 18:58:42 JST Hyolobrika

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     >The word "tino" is an intensifier. It's usually translated as "very", but in this case it's better translated as " full".
     Why is the translation different in this case?
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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 18:58:43 JST Strypey

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     > the English version says they submit to the sovereignty of the queen, while the Maori version says they retain autonomy

     It says they retain "tino rangatiratanga", a novel phrase meaning "full sovereignty".

     The word "rangatira" means chief, and the suffix "tanga" modifies a word to describe a quality, in this case something like chieftainship.

     The word "tino" is an intensifier. It's usually translated as "very", but in this case it's better translated as " full".

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 18:59:16 JST Strypey

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     @Hyolobrika
     > Can someone give me an overview of what's going on in NZ?

     Sure. Have a look at some of my recent posts with the tags #TeTiriti #TeTiritiOWaitangi #TreatyPrinciples #TreatyPrinciplesBill

     Happy to answer any questions that leaves you with.

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:50:38 JST Strypey

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     @Hyolobrika
     > Why is the translation different in this case?

     Because as I said;

     > >The word "tino" is an intensifier

     ... and "very chieftainship" doesn't make sense in English. If full chieftainship/ sovereignty wasn't the intended meaning, there would be no need to use "tino".

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