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¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 21:30:03 JST 
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Le sigh...
I'm going to bed goodnight guys and good discussion. I just can't wait to believe you guys again, install a new Linux setup only to hit brickwalls every step of the way, barely getting things to work or not work and just huffing the "trust me bro, just one more time bro" copium hopium that you guys inhale like crackheads...- ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 21:30:36 JST 
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@charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @PalePimp @gvs A crackhead cannot compete with me inhaling the GNU/Freedom. -
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PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 21:33:33 JST 
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@charlie_root @dcc @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs Dude, I have been using Ubuntu since I moved full time to Linux in 2011, and 1.5 years ago I moved to Arch building the system from scratch, I was still running Ubuntu until I mastered Arch enough so everything I need works like a ticking clock, the only problem that I have encountered was that stupid bug in recent systemd versions that prevents your machine to suspend if you're using NFS mounts, and the fix was trivial (although it took me a lot of reading to figure where the problem was) Other than that, flawless experience. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 21:33:33 JST
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@PalePimp @charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs In my many years of commanding the GNU OS, I've run into a lot of proprietary sabotage, but I've always been able to overcome it. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 21:35:54 JST
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@charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @PalePimp @gvs Most users seem to just want a web browser and that's flawless despite the many flaws of web browsers. -
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¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 21:35:55 JST
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Flawess experience for you and your workflow/usage. But that's not everyones shared experience, not even close... -
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PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 21:38:32 JST
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@charlie_root @dcc @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs I have encountered plenty of situations where people using Windows, Cisco, MacOS, or any other proprietary platform couldn't solve a problem and I had to either write build and compile a C program, put a Linux box in the middle, or configure the device for them. And I am not a Windows user, a MacOS user nor a Cisco certified engineer.
You either have the mindset to overcome annoyances and solve problems and inconveniences... or use whatever product you find better for you. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 21:38:32 JST
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@PalePimp @charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs Many such cases; https://techrights.org/o/2020/05/30/hospitals-gnu-linux/ -
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¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 21:41:43 JST
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I had the mindset. I just got bitter when I realized it would never end with these systems. The only way to be free of it was to use Windows or MacOS. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 21:41:43 JST
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@charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @PalePimp @gvs If you use windows or macos, you will never be free. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 22:18:59 JST
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@charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @PalePimp @gvs >if you want a competitive edge in the craft or field you are apart of.
Freedom comes first - technical superiority is a secondary concern, but as it turns out, GNU software is often technically superior.
>if Linux was so freeing, why is not the #1 platform for video game production or music production, let alone art, video editing
Linux is proprietary software, so it doesn't do any freeing.
You want a free version of Linux; https://gnu.org/software/linux-libre
windows is the most popular OS for video game production, or music production or art or video editing simply because that was the OS that came on the computer and how most users don't install another OS.
Popularity is not a concern - while it might be a faster road, it leads to the wrong place.
Even then, Krita is quite popular when it comes to art production and GIMP is quite popular when it comes to image manipulation.
Blender is also very popular when it comes to 3D modelling and animation and it does get a lot of professional use.
KDEnlive is very popular for basic video editing.
ffmpeg is arguably the most popular video encoder/decoder - too bad most people don't realize that they're using it.
When it comes to computing freedom, GNU/Linux-libre is the #0 platform - nothing else compares - even possibly comparable, but inferior OS's like the BSDs are proprietary.
>The only thing I see as free is the zero dollars in my wallet using it.
Yes, it usually is gratis as it's not like sending a copy costs anything, but it's quite sad that you cannot see the freedom.
>you Linooks fanboys want to keep us broke and on the island of broken toys. Hard pass...
I am not a fan of Linux.
I want users to escape the shackles of proprietary enslavement and come to freedom, but doing so requires the user deciding to fight for their own freedom no matter what it takes.
It's very popular to claim that the floating GNU/Island is full of broken software, but I'm not having issues with fully free systems - I'm posting from one now even (spoiler; proprietary shit is always so broken it's sad). -
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¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 22:19:00 JST
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@Suiseiseki @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @PalePimp @gvs
I understand Stallman's arguments but they don't hold water if you want a competitive edge in the craft or field you are apart of. Like if Linux was so freeing, why is not the #1 platform for video game production or music production, let alone art, video editing, etc. The only thing I see as free is the zero dollars in my wallet using it. Sorry but I'm tired of seeing my peers make a living with computers and thriving while you Linooks fanboys want to keep us broke and on the island of broken toys. Hard pass... -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 22:50:44 JST
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@PalePimp @charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs >Personal computers wasn't the realm of academy where the FOSS movement began.
Please do not rewrite history - "FOSS" degeneracy was not a concept until ~2004 and it didn't become popular until ~2020.
Free software has been a thing ever since the start of computing, although rms gave it a definition ~1984.
"open source" was only defined in 1998.
>There was a legacy of 20+ years of proprietary software on the PC platform running DOS, that ecosystem of productivity software jumped to Windows many years before Linux even existed.
An ecosystem is a natural system that you merely observe.
MS-DOS and windows was/is an artificial monopoly from microsoft and IBM.
MS-DOS was a thing since 1981, although GNU was a thing since 1984 and GNU Emacs was originally released in early 1985.
In late 1985, windows was released, but it was just a graphical shell over MS-DOS, so of course DOS software still worked.
Linux did not even exist until 1991 and it was released as proprietary software.
Such compatibility mostly remained until after windows 98, where DOS was dropped and the "NT" replacement was written, breaking many DOS programs.
Not surprisingly, MS-DOS was always garbage and "FreeDOS" works much better - too bad it still sucks, it's only useful to run proprietary software and you can't compile it without a proprietary compiler.
>It is called market inertia, for Linux to usurp Windows it would have to be not just good, but better at being Windows than Windows.
It's rather anti-competitive behavior and monopolies.
Of course GNU/Linux would be more popular than windows if it came on most prebuilt computers and laptops.
>A pretty hard bar to jump, and a pointless endeavor (check Android)
There it is - a prime example of the consequences of referring to GNU as "Linux".
Android uses the kernel, Linux (without GNU), with over a billion installs, making Linux a far more popular kernel than the NT kernel.
Too bad almost none of those users have freedom (only Replicant users have it), demonstrating that aiming for popularity is a fools errand.
>If you are happy with Windows, be my guest, I'm happy for you.
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PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 22:50:45 JST
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@charlie_root @dcc @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs Because things don't happen in a vacuum, Personal computers wasn't the realm of academy where the FOSS movement began.
There was a legacy of 20+ years of proprietary software on the PC platform running DOS, that ecosystem of productivity software jumped to Windows many years before Linux even existed.
It is called market inertia, for Linux to usurp Windows it would have to be not just good, but better at being Windows than Windows.
A pretty hard bar to jump, and a pointless endeavor (check Android)
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 22:53:56 JST
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@PalePimp @charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @KK954 @Volkish_Observer @tyler @HonkHonkBoom @gvs It's like you driving a car that shackles your hands and feet down the road to hell, while I fang it up the road to freedom unfettered in GNU/Car. -
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KK954 (kk954@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 22:53:57 JST 
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Well, it's like this in a nutshell. I just don't feel like learning a different OS and Windows does what I need it to do. -
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PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 22:53:57 JST
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@KK954 @HonkHonkBoom @charlie_root @dcc @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs Nothing wrong with that, it is like you driving a Ford and me raving about a Toyota... if you car get's you where you need and it is cost effective for you, great.
Now if you need a helicopter to get to a hill, well it has a learning curve and requires different maintenance isn't? What we can't do is pretend a helicopter can drive on the motorway.
Can a helicopter get you there faster than a car? the answer is depends.
So yeah, what you should do is remain critical, be aware there are alternatives, and if at some point you think Windows is not working for you remember there are alternatives, and that some annoyances aren't end of the world, just don't assume Ford is a Toyota or a Helicopter and you'll be fine. -
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HonkHonkBoom (honkhonkboom@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 22:53:58 JST 
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@PalePimp @charlie_root @dcc @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs What is windows good at now though? What is windows in the current era other than a marketing platform and a spy portal? Why would anybody, other than the shittiest people on earth, want to do those awful things 'better'? 翠星石 likes this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 23:02:48 JST
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@HonkHonkBoom @charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @PalePimp @gvs I reckon a lot of the time the software is just utter garbage that can be replaced as long as the person is willing to learn how to do it a different way. -
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PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 23:02:49 JST
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@HonkHonkBoom @charlie_root @dcc @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs If you need a piece of software that only runs on Windows, sadly you need Windows. That is what it amounts to. I do not know anybody who runs Windows and claims: "Wow I couldn't do my work without Windows". -
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HonkHonkBoom (honkhonkboom@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 23:02:49 JST
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@PalePimp @charlie_root @dcc @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs Agreed, and I do know several people that use windows and claim "If it wasn't for this one piece of software that only works right on windows, i wouldn't have to put up with this mess" -
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PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 23:08:28 JST
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@Suiseiseki @charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs You're relentless. :laughing_crying: -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 23:08:28 JST
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@PalePimp @charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs You have to be if you want to keep the hellthread full of freedom. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 23:38:39 JST
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@pyrate @charlie_root @dcc @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @PalePimp @gvs GNU Linux-libre already removes all the proprietary malware and malware loading machinery from Linux, despite how often Torvalds approves adding more proprietary software. -
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pyrate (pyrate@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 23:38:40 JST 
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@PalePimp @charlie_root @dcc @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs
It is moot though. Per that momentum Microsoft takes advantage of the primary Kernel maintainer will be Microsoft once Torvalds and the old hat Linux people are finally out.
I have a slim hope for other devs seeing this writing on the wall and building their own kernels to branch away from Linux into something else.
Just, you may need to know how to read and write Cyrillic to use them... -
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pyrate (pyrate@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 23:38:41 JST
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@PalePimp @charlie_root @dcc @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs
I guess. Honestly, the office tools I have on Linux do work pretty well and I feel that Microsoft has nerfed their own production suites by requiring O365 subscriptions and mandating all of your data be backed up on their cloud, One Drive.
Also the lengthy TOS alone has some concerning items in regards to who actually holds copyright over the data you put on your own machine.
So really, it is just paycucks are gonna paycuck. -
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PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 23:38:41 JST
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@pyrate @charlie_root @dcc @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper @Volkish_Observer @tyler @gvs >>I feel that Microsoft has nerfed their own production suites by requiring O365 subscriptions and mandating all of your data be backed up on their cloud, One Drive.
Yep, I'm under the impression the old guard is retiring and the people replacing them is not as "knowledgeable and hard working" as the old guard was, they are slipping in the GUI and compatibility areas a lot lately.
Specially with the GUI after peaking with Win7 and since Win8 the Windows GUI is regressing hard with each release, getting rid of the good'n'old control panel is a retarded decision of the utmost dimension.
Same with requiring Windows point and click engineers to now have to type commands in power-shell for basic functionality because they can't bother to add a button somewhere and everything has to be a web page when they had the excellent mmc platform already for system settings that you could operate remotely via RPC.
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