Weird Socks
Welp.
I'm not the one to say it authoritatively and maybe I should just keep my mouth shut, but if there's a metric for saying #BlackTwitter moved to #BlueSky,that metric has been met.
It's awesome. I am not expecting l will do much interacting over there but just reading all that joy and sh#t talking is fun.
mekka okereke :verified:
Things Mastodon says about BlueSky:
* ATProto sucks! Activity Pub 4 life!
* Jack Dorsey is your daddy!
* You sit on a throne of VC money!
* The crypto pivot is coming! I feel it!
* You say federated, but no one's federated!
* We have federated social media at home!
* Elon can just buy you again! You have learned nothing!
Things Mastodon doesn't say about BlueSky:
* Wow. Composable moderation won over the Black users.🤔
* Wow. Starter packs are great for on-boarding.🤔
* We should do that!
mekka okereke :verified:
There is nothing stopping Mastodon from adding composable moderation or starter packs. It's not a technical or financial limitation.
aburka 🫣
@mekkaokereke @ohmu all of these things can be true simultaneously, plus I've seen a bunch of people talking about starter packs over here -- I believe the pixelfed guy wrote up a proposal
Weird Socks
Sigh.
All of that. Yes.
@mekkaokereke, as long as you are here to pass on the word about the next Great Riverboat Brawl or similar event, I'm here for you.
I would never have known about that.
But I'll also be there. Just quieter.
mark
@mekkaokereke @ohmu my wife just showed me a starter list, and it made the entire thing feel so much better.
I'm not moving to a VC backed future shit site, but its a shame they got it so much more right so quickly
mekka okereke :verified:
👀 Starter kits for ActivityPub.
Julian Fietkau
@mekkaokereke @ohmu Dan's proposal seems to be geared towards server-specific starter packs to let newly registered users get a richer start. I'm trying to find out in the GitHub discussion if we can merge his ideas with mine.
Of the five ActivityPub starter pack projects I know (there may be more), three aim for something closer to the Bluesky idea, where people can create and share starter packs whenever. I have guesses who might get there first, but it's really anybody's game at this stage.
mark
@julian @StryderNotavi @mekkaokereke @ohmu i was curious about that. If you join or opt in, or if it's just a play list
Julian Fietkau
@StryderNotavi @mekkaokereke @ohmu Indeed! Here are my thoughts on it: https://github.com/pixelfed/starter-kits/issues/1#issuecomment-2475154658
It is an opportunity to prioritze safety where Bluesky decided not to. If someone puts you in a Bluesky starter pack, AFAIK there is nothing you can do about it, and I hear occasional reports about starter packs being used as a harassment vector over there.
Notavi
@julian @mekkaokereke @ohmu One thing to note is that not everyone wants to be included in a starter pack - I've seen a few people who were unhappy about being included in Bluesky starter packs.
Not sure how to handle the consent side of things, but it bears thinking about.
jwz
@docpop @mekkaokereke And that's why I bumped up my monthly contribution to the Mastodon patreon, since that's the only thing I can do about that.
Doctor Popular
@mekkaokereke like you said, these issues aren't limited to technical limitations, so it's a bummer that folks spun up a new protocol instead of adding them to the existing systems. When I chatted with ActivityPub and Mastodon folks about some of ATP's features, the main thing I heard was, "these are cool ideas and we could totally add them if we had more developers."
mekka okereke :verified:
I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying? Can you say more?
soy sauced up salsa
@mekkaokereke I think the first one of the things we don't say counts more than some little list feature.
People go places in groups mostly. The personalities who will stick through a place that is not popular, but has potential, are not the followers. People who build new things are not followers.
To me the issue here that I think I see is all the incessant whining. Why would you go somewhere as a group that is not fun and welcoming?
mekka okereke :verified:
Got it. Thank you for clarifying!
soy sauced up salsa
@mekkaokereke Yeah. I think the moderation part is absolutely a big part of where this place dropped the mark. You have to end up on a server that does it well to have it be a decent experience and this is a platform for everyone coming over, so why isn't that across the board.
Also I have looked at BlueSky and think even if those things in the top list sounds annoying, they are true, like things you say about politics here that come true. It's a damn carbon copy. And people are showing that they will just follow each other without much real thought. That's where the after party is. Ok.
But then if I hop over there and plug this place and the whole explore page is overly serious political stuff, I'm not exactly inviting them to a party. That's what I mean.
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