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   robbystk (robbystk@layer8.space)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 16:47:19 JST robbystk

   Considering trying to run a matrix server for a community. Anyone with experience have tips or things I should know before doing so?

   #Matrix #SelfHosting

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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 16:47:10 JST Kari'boka

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     @robbystk have you considered #xmpp?
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     robbystk (robbystk@layer8.space)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 04:22:14 JST robbystk

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     • Kari'boka

     @kariboka a little, but I don't have much experience with it. Can you recommend a good client and server? preferably which support end-to-end encryption?

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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 05:09:53 JST Kari'boka

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     • Prosody IM
     • JC Brand
     • Gajim
     • Snikket
     • Dino
     • Prav App
     • JoinJabber
     • monocles
     • ejabberd
     • ProcessOne

     @robbystk Sure!

     There are 3 servers I recommend: Snikket, Prosody, and Ejabberd.

     @ejabberd is better scalable from what I hear from admins that changed from @prosodyim, some claim #Prosody is easier to configure, I never used it so I can’t tell.

     @snikket_im is made with the intent to be easy to deploy and from what I read it seems pretty straight forward.
     IIRC #Snikket and #Prosody are from the same dev, which is a very skilled developer. All 3 servers are great, but depends on your use and expertise.

     I myself use #Ejabberd (which is made by @ProcessOne) and can’t complain, it is REALLY LIGHT in resource consumption and pretty robust while offering all the XEPs that are mostly used (XEPs are extensions of the protocol, I think we could call them features).

     I looked into your profile and I see you are Software Engineer so my recomendation is #Ejabberd. You only have to configure a single YAML and you are all set. The documentation is really good and their team answer fast in their github discussions page. Some are even here in mastodon.

     Also I recommend the @joinjabber website for reference and tutorials: https://joinjabber.org

     For clients I recommend #Cheogram on android.
     XMPP software/Cheogram
     And if you need it on Google Playstore, @monocles.
     XMPP software/Monocles

     Cheogram and #Monocles are pretty much the same feature-wise, I like cheogram design better but you do you.

     For PC/Linux I recommend @gajim first. (I never used it in windows but in Linux it is awesome.), and then @dino if you like Gnome philosophy. In my experience #Dino_IM works better for calls.

     For web with support to Omemo (encryption XEP/feature, based on signal) I know only of @jcbrand
     Website: https://conversejs.org/

     By now you realize I could mention all projects here in the #fediverse, that’s a thing I like about #XMPP projects, they are all committed to this open federated web, you know?

     If you have any questions feel free to ask. I feel like I might be forgetting something, but when it is related to XMPP I get very excited lol.

     If you want to read more: https://xmpp.org/

     PS: by the way, there is this awesome project called @prav they are an XMPP server that allow people to sign in with their phone number (like signal/WA) so if you have any friends that are a bit lazy to create an account the traditional way (choosing a server, filling a form…) they can just download #prav and start using it with their phone number. https://xmpp.org/software/prav/

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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 05:16:56 JST Kari'boka

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     @robbystk By the way, all my recommendations support end to end encryption.
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     Ch M[ae][iy]e?r 🇪🇺 🖤 🤍 (chbmeyer@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 06:25:06 JST Ch M[ae][iy]e?r 🇪🇺 🖤 🤍

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     • Kari'boka

     @robbystk @kariboka
     I run ejabberd, too, and I'm Happy with it.

     For Android I can recommend Conversations, it's for free in F-Droid.
     OMEMO encryption, VideoCalls, ... everything just works.

     I didn't try iOS, but there are Clients, too.
     On Linux I use Dino.

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     ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 08:05:29 JST ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡

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     @kariboka @robbystk
     
     Any recommendations for an iOS client that has OMEMO support and a decent UX? I tried for years getting normie iOS users on XMPP and everything I had them try ended up being a dumpster fire.
     
     FYI, IME Conversejs is passable, but if self-hosting, be prepared to pull out your hair dealing with CORS related issues.
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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 08:05:29 JST Kari'boka

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     @toiletpaper @robbystk yeah for CORS you must set the headers accordingly, IME, ejabberd default config example had it, so I didn't experience any issue.
     
     My only issue with Conversejs is the colour scheme, but I am too tired to deal with CSS lol
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     ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 08:12:19 JST ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡

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     @kariboka @robbystk
     
     I configured on apache2 and confirmed the headers were there, but still couldn't get the browsers to uniformly play nice with it, so finally gave up on it. Ho hum.
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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 08:12:19 JST Kari'boka

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     • ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡
     @toiletpaper @robbystk which xmpp server software were you using? For ejabberd I had to set those headers direct in ejabberd YAML config file.
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     ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 08:31:33 JST ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡

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     @kariboka @robbystk
     
     ejabberd. It's quite possible I didn't configure it properly. Looking at the config yml I notice I did have CORS headers setup for mod_http_upload, but that may not have been the only place they were needed. I'm guessing (in retrospect) they were probably required for mod_bosh, or maybe there's a global setting. If you happen to know off hand, I'd appreciate the clue and may give it another shot at some point.
     
     Fyi, I had everything else working fine. Just couldn't get conversejs to play nice when self-hosting on the server. Worked fine as a standalone HTML though.
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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 08:32:49 JST Kari'boka

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     • ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡
     @toiletpaper
     
     Sure, I will take a look as soon as I get back home and paste it here for you.
     
     Always a pleasure to help!