I find the whole wapo and others not "endorsing" anyone I the pres race quite laughable. Or endorsing anyone. Why the f are newspapers et al in the business of endorsing politicians anyway? Well, they are often megaphones, so there is that... They have their endorsal fins signalling the course 😜
The newspaper endorsements is one angle, but there is also the endorsements by prominent politicians, for example the gentleman loser from the primary who endorsed the winner.
@justinerickson I dont think ABBA never endorsed a politician. Tho Ulveaus is a bit douche imho with his promoting of digital currencies. He is generally quite smug. @viking
@justinerickson@viking To remember, at least Swedish social democrats have been quite cosy with oligarchs, and never a friend of smaller and family business. Or independent thinking for that matter.
@inscius@viking It’s very possible that the US left is further left and more collectivist than Scandinavia. Actually, I come across Americans all of the time that believe Scandinavia is an example of socialism working. But in reality I don’t think Scandinavia is as left as they dream in their heads. They like the social programs but they want control over the distribution of wealth and the economy also and that failed decades ago in Scandinavia, right?
@justinerickson@viking We had free school lunches for a very long time in Sweden. In my fathers time (30s), they had not, except for the poorest children.
@viking@inscius ya. Adam Corolla’s (celebrity) big thing for awhile was “you can feed a child for $5 a day. You can give them an egg or two and a piece of cheese for breakfast and that’s better than what most parents are doing. If you are failing to feed your kids, then you are failing as a parent and shouldn’t have kids.” I hadn’t heard that brought up before so bluntly and I realized he’s absolutely right. Welfare for parents just excuses really bad parents.
Hard to tell, but as a Norwegian growing up in the 70s, I know there was no such thing as school lunches, and if welfare recipients were too defective to feed their children, I think they would take the kids away from them, and rightfully so.
So that was an area where mainstream USA was to the left of Scandinavia, allowing defective parents to skimp on their responsibilities.
Lately I believe Norway has experimentaed with school lunches.
After a little research, I found that Norway used to have school lunches, and perhaps pioneered the concept, but abandoned it after we were no longer a poor country:
"The tradition originated in the 1930s with the Oslo Breakfast. Back then, Norway was poor and this government programme aimed to provide all school children with a free meal each day. It was an unmitigated success, and later copied around the globe. "
@justinerickson@viking The tv series is good. As for the ethanol shopping. Norwegians went to Denamrk (or Sweden), Swedes went to Denmark. And its cheaper in Germany so I Danes went to Germany. Before Sweden joined EU you could not bring much back here. That changed, so now some Swedes take a station wagon to Germany and fill it. Btw, I have yet to see that bridge, have not been south since mid 90s. Not far, but I am very localized 😅
Why are you bringing facts into the discussion? Our prejudices are not based on facts!
And the party boat is actually between Norway and Denmark, where Denmark is in the EU and already has cheep booze domestically, so the Danes going to Norway don't actually benefit much from Tax-free booze, but for the Norwegians, the price might be 1/2 or 1/3 the regular price, so the Norsemen are having a party!
@viking@inscius 😆 My sister was an exchange student for one year in Denmark and she said the Swedes have the same party boats and that’s how the Danish see Swedes. This was before the EU. Something about them being hairy too. 😆
@viking@inscius Are there slurs that Swedes and Norwegians have for each other? I know Danes think Swedes are all a bunch of drunks because they drink the tax free liquor on the boat ride over and always show up drunk.
@inscius@viking I’m sure they were lighthearted. That’s why I feel safe asking.
Those countries definitely share an identity and there isn’t a stark contrast between them, as far as I can see, except for Norway having all of that oil.
@justinerickson@viking There are differences, but it is getting a bit late here hehe. I can say that when I was young quite a few Swedes, especially if they did not live bordering to out neighbors had a little superiority complex and looked down on Danes, Norwegians and Finnish. Oil changed that, And the Danes are really good in business.
@viking@inscius The Finns and Swedes are very good consistently. The Russians have a bigger pool of people and are, of course, always up there.
There have been a ton of Swedes and Finns and even a few Danes that make it to the nhl, but only 2 Norwegians that I know of. Germans produce more. Just always thought that is interesting. Nordic skiing seems to be more of Norway’s jam.
@justinerickson@viking Alaska?! That sounds exotic to me :D Scandinavia is far north, but due to the Gulf Stream, it is far more livable than other places on the same latitude.
@viking@inscius I need to go and tour Scandinavia. I have always wanted to. But we live in Alaska and my family always wants to go to somewhere warm if we spend the money to leave the state…. Maybe I’ll just leave them home.
@justinerickson@viking Prevailing winds are from west/southwest. So west coasts get more. Lately we have had wind from south quite often. Not strong. But very unusual. Odd.
@justinerickson@viking I haven't seen much of Norway, or northerns scandinavia at all. And not much of Europe. I have been to the other side of the globe. I have an odd travel log, I think 😂
@viking@inscius yes. I’m about half Swede. My grandpa moved from Sweden when he was 4.
I love the north and fjords. It’s in my blood for sure. And I love boats and traveling. The “explorer gene”, if it really exists, is part of my make up.
If I was a rich man I would rent a boat and tour all of Scandinavia.
@inscius@viking Ya, the west coast is totally exposed to the Atlantic. I bet it gets a wind that cuts to the bone.
Our weather patterns vary a ton. I’ve heard it’s one of the hardest places on Earth for predicting weather. Everything is odd here. Especially the people.
@inscius@viking I imagine the people are very different. Urban vs rural. Rural people end up not liking the government that gets sent to them by urban people.
There are small "urban" places too. Before the war, most people lived in rural areas, or small communities. Means my generation often had at least one parent who had grown up in the country. Grandparents to visit. Some people move to country side (I did for 23 years), but we also have lots of immigrants who really has no connection to rural living. I think most of them were urban already in homeland. It is a bit complicated. And farmers are much fewer (and a lot bigger than say in the 1960s).
@inscius@viking So you are saying that everyone used to have a connection to what it is like to live in the country side.
10 million people. Belgian has 11 with much less land and Germany has 8 times more people. So I can understand that.
And I just looked it up. The only real metropolitan areas are Stockholm and maybe Gothenburg. The rest of the cities are 350,000 or less. The majority don’t live in big cities. That’s appealing to me. Too bad they decided to let in so many…
@inscius@viking can you think of any Swedish comedy movies or tv shows that are worth watching that could work in a different language? I don’t think I have seen iany comedy that came from Sweden or any Scandinavian country.
Don’t worry. If it is really bad, I will bluntly tell you that you have horrible taste and will think less of you.
@justinerickson 😂 Sweden is not famous for humor. And humor often does not work across cultures. Or even across time. I can only recall one group who did a show in English. Which won the Rose d'Or in 1986. "The Prize" I think some of it is still funny, if one knows the stuff they made fun of. @viking
@inscius@viking Hmmm. I can’t find those two you referenced. I agree. It’s rare that comedy works as it ages and across cultures. But there is still stuff that works still to do this day. Maybe because I lived through it though...
I think comedy gives details about a culture that are difficult to describe. And it’s funny to witness how absurd comedy is in another culture…
Anyway, I’m always looking for interesting stuff I haven’t seen before. And I am aware Sweden is known for its Cinema.
@justinerickson@viking British televison (incl humour) has always been popular in Sweden. US less so. Before the 80s, there was few US telly shows here. But when I was a kid there was Lucy. And Bonanza was one of the most popular. How the West Was Won is one of the most popular tv series ever. But not much comedy (cinema is another matter).
@justinerickson@viking In the 70s telly was quite leftist. Some otherwise-thinkers managed to sneak in in the 80s. Foremost it is a megaphone for establishment.
@justinerickson@viking We have state television and radio. It used to be license, like in UK. Then when fewer people had television, they tried to demand license for computers with internet connection. So they unilaterally imposed a license fee on everyone. Thousands appealed to courts, myself included. ...
@justinerickson@viking ... Many of us appealed again. Was struck down in both instances. It was an insight into how administrative courts work. They seem to not read the appeals and/or not read the law. I gave up but a bunch appealed to the highest admin court. And won. After that they changed into earmarked tax (a rarity in itself), with almost all parties voting for it. So I pay tax for tv tho i haven't had one in 11 years. And hardly watched it years before that.
@justinerickson@viking Here is an insight I got recently. I heard a interview on a Swedish podcast (I listen to very few of those) where they discussed animal welfare and security. It used to be based in the municipalities, and if they found abuse of animals they had to turn to the police to interfere/save etc. It came to criminal court, where "govt" has to prove their case. But...
@justinerickson@viking .. animal welfare was brought to a state run provincial oversee instance (Länsstyrelse). That means it goes to administrative court system instead. Where you appeal decisions from agencies etc. These courts have in practice reverse burden of proof (if that makes sense). The citizen has to prove his innocence. Even if he wins appeal, the animals might be gone and sold or slaughtered. Disgusting.
@justinerickson@viking It put power into un-elected bureaucrats that can make unilateral decisions. Even in practice set policy. The technocratic nightmare. Technocracy is a vehicle for globalists. And big corporations.
@inscius@viking Ya. So I have heard. A lot. It’s not going well anywhere, but that equivalent increase in population proportionally to the US would be 70 million! The EU and ruling Swedes really underestimated what they were doing, to say the least.
Plus I think there is a big difference between wanting to go to America and wanting to become American. America has a path way to become American as an immigrant because of the historical identity of America. Most countries don’t have that.
@justinerickson@viking Europe is multi cultural, multilingual patchwork and basically the remains of Christendom. It doesn't work with big influx of people who is of a radically different ways. And Islam is an imperialist ideology who refuses to join/integrate/assimilate.
@justinerickson@viking Centennial I don't think I have seen. Looks unfamiliar. One series I enjoyed was Rich Man, Poor man. At least the original "min-series with Nick Nolte.
@viking@inscius I already tried to find Albert and Herbert. Did find full episodes on YouTube but they don’t have subtitles. I might try some more. But I’m curious about Zeb and Centennial.
@viking@justinerickson No dubbing helps a lot. We are exposed to a lot of English from quite early age. Childrens' programs and films are dubbed. And in generally I think we are good at bork bork bork English.
My experience was that I spent the summer of 1990 at Goethe Institute in Berlin for intensive German education, and there was one Swedish student there. Some Americans there remarked that this Swede was speaking English without an accent.
Two years later, a graduate student from North Dakota arrived at the department I was studying, and I thought he sounded just like a Swede.
There is the small country effect, where it becomes too costly to dub foreign movies into the local language, so they go the cheap way, with sub titles.
Some people claim that because of this, the Dutch and Scandinavians have better English.
But with respect to Swedes having no accent, I would claim that some people from North Dakota speak with a terrible Swedish accent.
@viking@inscius oh I see. One thing that I have really noticed about many Scandinavians, mostly Swedes, is that if they speak English they speak it better than most Americans and with nearly no accent. Wonder if watching American tv would explain that.