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   Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 09:51:44 JST Eugen Rochko

   • かき@GNUsocialJP

   Mastodon is financed by crowdfunding instead of venture capital not because we don't know that venture capital exists, not because we don't have bills to pay, and not because venture capital isn't willing to give money to new social media platforms. VCs don't want a sustainable business, they want a big exit. Every VC-backed business is on a timer to deliver or die.

   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:, clacke and piuvas :pc_chummy: :v_anarc: like this.
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     Wayne Myers (conniptions@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 10:00:51 JST Wayne Myers

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     @Gargron To deliver *money*, and *not* the actual thing it was supposed to deliver. They should call it 'PC', not 'VC'. Poisoned Chalice.

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     Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈 (lazarou@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 10:10:13 JST Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈

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     @Gargron I'm tired of the Capitalism, I'm staying here on Mastodon with the Humans, for all their faults.

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     Jon Lindemann (mrdiamondj@mrdiamondj.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 10:24:49 JST Jon Lindemann

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     @Gargron BlueSky was cool for a minute. Then I saw the venture capital announcement and was like, welp, so much for that. VC capital always has a price. They want their return.

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     Amrita (amr1ta@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 10:31:56 JST Amrita

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     @Gargron who! Wondering what prompted this line of defence?

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     Wysteria (wysteriary@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 11:02:05 JST Wysteria

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     @Gargron The Matrix ecosystem is still doing pretty well for itself despite Element being a VC-funded organization. I think you'd be surprised.

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     Mister Wanko (misterwanko@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 11:07:51 JST Mister Wanko

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     @Gargron Let's choose death for them!

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     Asamour Pure love (loveenergy@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 12:06:52 JST Asamour Pure love

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     @Gargron if you are willing to convert mastodon project in pure pure pure common law , we could offer opportunity to get all the funds you need to boost mastodon at speed you never expected by pure pure pure common law that permits new high-speed developent

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     Jon Lindemann (mrdiamondj@mrdiamondj.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 13:38:46 JST Jon Lindemann

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     • Axomamma

     @Axomamma Sometimes I like to pretend that things will turn out okay

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     Axomamma (axomamma@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 13:38:47 JST Axomamma

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     • Jon Lindemann

     @mrdiamondj How did you not see it coming given who founded it?

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     Kneworldodor (kneworldodor@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 14:13:59 JST Kneworldodor

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     @Gargron
     I have a Mr Robot condition.
     You write Venture
     I see Vulture

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     Miracles2 (miracles2@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 14:32:54 JST Miracles2

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     @Gargron ok, entonces debemos irnos ?

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 15:00:42 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • The Yangsi Michael Dillon
     • Social Web Foundation

     @anantagd We support the @swf, we're not "in" it (and neither is Meta).

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     The Yangsi Michael Dillon (anantagd@ieji.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 15:00:44 JST The Yangsi Michael Dillon

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     @Gargron Yup like getting into a "foundation" with Meta. Got it.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 15:03:11 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • The Yangsi Michael Dillon
     • Social Web Foundation

     @anantagd @swf You're welcome!

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     The Yangsi Michael Dillon (anantagd@ieji.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 15:03:12 JST The Yangsi Michael Dillon

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     • Social Web Foundation

     @Gargron @swf whatever. thanks for replying. Obviously an important point that had to be made.

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     Patrick Leavy (patrickleavy@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 15:03:25 JST Patrick Leavy

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     @Gargron more precisely "to deliver and then enshittify"

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     Simon π man ⚛️🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇦 (enmodo@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 16:06:58 JST Simon π man ⚛️🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇦

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     @Gargron so true - I worked at a VC funded startup and they let it go for two years with no interest in us making revenue. I was told by the founder this was common and gives VCs more leverage later. If you've created something good then you'll need more money to stay in business and they get more equity for continued funding because you're desperate. And if you're mediocre you're never going to be a great exit so they cut their losses and move on.

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     OpenSoul ✅ (opensoul@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 18:07:35 JST OpenSoul ✅

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     @Gargron so true

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     Jay :iwate: (jasohill@famichiki.jp)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 18:36:03 JST Jay :iwate:

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     @Gargron Let's keep it this way. I want Mastodon still standing when all the other social media sites have enshittified themselves to high hell.

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     piuvas :pc_chummy: :v_anarc: (piuvas@capivarinha.club)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 18:37:07 JST piuvas :pc_chummy: :v_anarc:

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     @Gargron@mastodon.social based

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     Sherlock Hawk (sherlockhawk@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 19:11:10 JST Sherlock Hawk

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     @Gargron Sorry to bother, but are you planning to release the annual report for 2023. Love the work, keep it up.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 19:46:21 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP

     Side note, if you'd like us to help pay our bills for the 5 full-time employees and a number of freelancers we currently have working on developing Mastodon and bringing you new features, and potentially grow the team to do so even faster, there is a number of ways you can do so outlined on this page: https://joinmastodon.org/sponsors

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     Emma A. Hein (emmaahein@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 20:04:26 JST Emma A. Hein

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     B00BIES (boobiesshopping@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 20:05:55 JST B00BIES

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     Aquarius (aquarius1842@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 20:12:26 JST Aquarius

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     @Gargron

     - Every VC-backed business is on a timer to deliver or die

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     Dr. Nancy Wayne ✅ (nancylwayne@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 20:12:38 JST Dr. Nancy Wayne ✅

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     @Gargron Just made a donation, on top of my monthly Patreon contribution. Keep up the great work!

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     Greg Johnson (pteranodo@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 20:12:58 JST Greg Johnson

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     @Gargron hi, glad for this service. What is the average cost per user? (Want to check I was at least doing that.)

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     passbolt (passbolt@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 20:22:57 JST passbolt

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     @Gargron we just made a donation on github! 🫶

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     notbencarter (notbencarter@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 21:09:43 JST notbencarter

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     @Gargron I took the next step this morning and started a (small) monthly donation to support Mastodon’s maintenance and development. Hope progressive nonprofits and candidates will devote even a small portion of their comms budgets to invest in this fundamental, small-d democratic work.

     🙏🤓🙌

     https://bluegrassroots.ninja/home/nonprofits-must-build-social-media-ecosystem-with-their-values

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     martin lentink 🇪🇺 🍋 🟥 (martinlentink@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 22:26:27 JST martin lentink 🇪🇺 🍋 🟥

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     @Gargron Which is why I'm a Patreon, and y'all should be too.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 22:44:32 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @katzenberger @Gargron

     I want to quote the section about financial viability for you, to make sure it's clear.

     "We want the Fediverse to be financially viable
     The Fediverse cannot thrive without people building clients or running providers. And to do those things, they need money. Whether that’s advertising supported, or funded by charities and non-profits, or based on paid-for services, or affiliate revenue, we are working to find ways that companies can do well in the Fediverse."

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     katzenberger (katzenberger@mastodon.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 22:44:34 JST katzenberger

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     @Gargron

     Stop pretending it's about "#crowdfunding", for you. You are expressly working on bringing #advertising to the #Fediverse, and the Mastodon instance that you run.

     https://socialwebfoundation.org/mission/

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 22:45:49 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger @Gargron I am on a co-op server, cosocial.ca. I think that's an awesome model. I also like SaaS services like masto.host.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 22:48:30 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger @Gargron the goal of the Social Web Foundation is not to bring advertising to the Fediverse. That already exists; there are already fediverse-enabled services that use ads, and there are fediverse accounts that use the sponsored hashtag.

     SWF want to help grow the Fediverse and improve the experience, including user safety and privacy, for everyone.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 22:49:17 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger @Gargron let me know if you have any other questions about the SWF mission, projects, or team.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 23:13:28 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger @Gargron I do have a question!

     Have you thought about starting a competing org that is also working to grow the Fediverse, but doesn't have the faults you see in the Social Web Foundation or Mastodon GmbH?

     There's one in Austria but not one in Germany afaik.

     https://fediverse.foundation/

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     katzenberger (katzenberger@mastodon.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 23:13:29 JST katzenberger

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan

     Thanks for quoting this in full, I believe it highlights my point better than I could do it myself.

     I also believe that you are aware how the #Fediverse is already thriving without your attempts at commercialization, and your hosting of malicious actors like Meta as advisors of your foundation.

     Let me know if you have any other questions about my assessment of the #SWF, e.g. of its attempt to increase "safety and privacy" (your words) by embracing the makers of #Facebook.

     #fedipact

     @Gargron

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     Cash app$ (diya2334@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 23:28:21 JST Cash app$

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     Oliver Konow 🇪🇺🇮🇳 (okonow@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 23:54:29 JST Oliver Konow 🇪🇺🇮🇳

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     @Gargron Done, have a nice weekend and greetings from India!

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     Mister Shade (mister_shade02x2@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 01:43:24 JST Mister Shade

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     @Gargron Good to see this place apparently saw Ello was little more than a speed bump and isn’t repeating history.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 02:12:34 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger criticism is definitely welcome; not my intent.

     But I also think there's a lot of work to do on the Fediverse, and a lot of different approaches.

     I'd love to have more orgs to refer people to.

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     katzenberger (katzenberger@mastodon.de)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 02:12:35 JST katzenberger

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan

     I would certainly consider starting a competing org if somebody inside those orgs would, let's say, imply that criticism is a form of lèse-majesté, and imply that I should rather shut up and start my own org instead.

     Gladly, there seems to be no way this is ever going to happen.

     @Gargron

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 02:15:32 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger I have a last question to ask, which is: you said that Gargron was trying to bring advertising to the Fediverse, and pointed to the SWF mission page, implying that that's what we're trying to and that by being a supporter, that's what Mastodon wants, also.

     I've told you that it's *not* our purpose. Will you keep saying that, regardless? And if so, what would it take for you to believe that it's not the case?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 02:37:00 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger so, why are you skipping over those other ways that Fediverse servers can be supported?

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     katzenberger (katzenberger@mastodon.de)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 02:37:02 JST katzenberger

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan

     Yes, you have told me that was not your purpose.

     Hence, let me re-quote what you have already quoted, from the web page where your foundation expressly states their "Mission". I'm going to highlight some parts, for your convenience:

     »Whether that’s advertising supported, or funded by charities and non-profits, or based on paid-for services, or affiliate revenue, we are working to find ways that companies can do well in the Fediverse.«

     I do not even have the number of legs that you obviously seem to be trying to pull here. 🤷♂️

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 02:42:41 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger I want to check: do you know that there are ad-supported Mastodon servers, and that there are ad-supported accounts?

     Would it make you more comfortable if we didn't acknowledge ads as a way that Fediverse services are supported?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 02:44:32 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger OK. Good luck in your work, and don't hesitate to reach out if you'd like to talk further.

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     katzenberger (katzenberger@mastodon.de)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 02:44:33 JST katzenberger

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan

     Now that I have confronted you with a quote that expressly contradicts the claim you had made only minutes before, you're trying to deflect?

     Sorry, this discussion is a waste of time. Have a good day.

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     Florprax (florprax@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 04:21:02 JST Florprax

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     @Gargron Appreciated thank you.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 21:19:49 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger what do you think my agenda is? Based on what you know of me?

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     katzenberger (katzenberger@mastodon.de)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 21:19:50 JST katzenberger

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan

     I'd like to see people stewarding a standard abstaining from openly instrumentalizing the standardization process for their own agenda.

     But then, I also see people posting things like "I’m going to continue doing the work I’ve done for the W3C and other ActivityPub projects: protocol refinement, documentation, meetings, speaking engagements, reports. But from here, I’ll be doing it with my SWF hat on."

     And when people openly say what they are going to do, I believe them.

     Which means, essentially, that I neither trust you, nor the foundation, and particularly not the "advisors" that foundation has chosen.

     [2024-10-26 Update: I have been asked to link to the source for the quote, it is https://write.as/evanp/announcing-the-social-web-foundation]

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 21:35:12 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger oh, and: I updated our mission page to better reflect what we're working on. Here's the new version of the paragraph that you objected to:

     "We want the Fediverse to be sustainable

     The Fediverse cannot thrive without those who build and maintain infrastructure like clients or servers, and social infrastructure like moderation. We want the people and organizations who provide those services to have the financial and mental health support they need for the long haul."

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 26-Oct-2024 22:09:26 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • katzenberger

     @katzenberger We're doing strategic planning right now among the founders, and we've been discussing a change from "financially viable" to "sustainable" for a while, so I just did it. We'll make more changes to the Web site over the next few months, too. Please feel free to let me or the other team members know if there's something on the Web site that is giving you pause.

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     GNU/r000t (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 14:49:28 JST GNU/r000t

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     @Gargron
     You won't see this message because the people who pull your strings, as an investor would, have told you to silence me.

     They control you, they control your software, and you don't even get the benefits of VC-backing

     Big winner right here.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 14:51:10 JST 翠星石

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     • shellsharks
     @shellsharks I suggest Pleroma or GNU social to join the free Fediverse, free of antifeatures like a very low character limit.
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     shellsharks (shellsharks@shellsharks.social)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 14:51:11 JST shellsharks

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     @Gargron What I want most most most is just the ability to post more than 500 chars at a time. Just make this something customizable by an admin! Pweeeez! I am too verbose for only 500 chars most of the time! 😅

     Edit: I'm aware of glitch-soc. I'm on a managed, vanilla-masto instance 😭