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   mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 23:29:50 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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   @ArdainianRight @SuperDicq @mrsaturday Drew is pretty much obsessional with this too, I wonder what happened in his past for him to go over this nothing burger ?
   Maybe RMS reminds him of his father ? Maybe Drews father was also on the spectrum, or maybe is it just childhood abuse ? idk.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 23:29:49 JST SuperDicq

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     @mrsaturday@shitposter.world @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com Oh yeah speaking of the CoC stuff.
     
     The Stallman report just simply says "The transphobic GNU Kind Communication Guidelines authored by Stallman".
     
     The report does not explain why they think that document is transphobic whatsoever.
     
     So ???

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     John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 23:29:50 JST John Fediverse

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     @mangeurdenuage @ArdainianRight @SuperDicq Or he's just a crybully that lives for fighting and attacking others uses woke politics as a way to scratch that itch. RMS makes for an easy target and the FSF is a pretty big scalp to collect for the CoC crusaders.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 23:32:40 JST SuperDicq

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     @mrsaturday@shitposter.world @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com The GNU Project encourages contributions from anyone who wishes to advance the development of the GNU system, regardless of gender, race, ethnic group, physical appearance, religion, cultural background, and any other demographic characteristics, as well as personal political views."This just sounds reasonable?

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 02:03:44 JST SuperDicq

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     @mrsaturday@shitposter.world @ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world With a strawman like that you're only promoting polarization too.

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     John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 02:03:45 JST John Fediverse

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     @SuperDicq @ArdainianRight @mangeurdenuage It does to reasonable people. Unfortunately Mastodongers and CoC enjoyers are not reasonable people. It doesn't replace "as well as personal political views" with "kill chuds behead chuds slice chuds in half with a katana" so the Drews of the world dislike it.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 07:58:16 JST SuperDicq

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     @taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org @ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @mrsaturday@shitposter.world Congratulations, you've interpreted the document in the worst way possible and made it's transphobic.
     
     It's very clear to me that what it says here is that you can not call a transwoman "he". I highly doubt that he word "he" does not the gender identity of "woman" in your language. If you're saying "he" you're most likely doing so because you do not accept someone's gender identity as "woman", because you're a TERF.
     
     According to the guidelines you should use the word "she" because in your language the word "she" means "woman".
     
     How I interpret these guidelines do allow however is that for example someone like Stallman is allowed to use "per" for nonbinary people instead of "they", because in the language that Stallman speaks that the correct pronoun for nonbinary people. That's it.

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     Taylan (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 07:58:18 JST Taylan

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     @SuperDicq @ArdainianRight @mangeurdenuage @mrsaturday
     
     I don't remember where I've read this, but I believe the "transphobia" claim is supposed to be about this part:
     
     > Please think about how to treat other participants with respect, especially when you disagree with them. For instance, call them by the names they use, and refer to them using words whose meanings (as you understand them) cover those participants' stated gender identities. Please also show tolerance and respect for people who do that using different words from the words you use.
     
     Supposedly, the third sentence means that so-called "misgendering" would be allowed. If that interpretation is correct, it's totally reasonable, because some people feel as strongly about using sex-based pronouns, or gender-neutral pronouns, as others feel about having specific gendered pronouns used for them. Forcing people to use language in line with the gender identity belief system is no different from forcing people to use language in line with any other belief system. At that point it stops being about kindness, and becomes authoritarianism instead.
     
     If I go up to a transwoman and say "you're a man! you'll never be a woman!" or e.g. specifically make a point of empathizing the word *he* when talking about them within their hearing distance with an intent to annoy them, that would clearly be harassment. Just like it would be harassment if I go up to a Christian and say "your god is fake! Jesus was just some random guy!" or intentionally use blasphemy within their hearing distance despite knowing it deeply upsets them.
     
     But if I talk about the fact that a transwoman is, as a matter of fact, a man who performs femininity and believes himself to be a woman on the basis of having some kind of female personality essence (neurological or spiritual or whatever), and I just naturally happen to refer to him as "he" in my speech because I don't share his belief that he's a woman, then that's not harassment or hatred. Not any more than it would be harassment or hatred to speak in a way that defies Christian principles, such as using blasphemous language, referring to multiple gods in my speech patterns (expressing polytheism), or stating my belief that religion is really just a form of superstition.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 08:09:38 JST SuperDicq

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     @taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org @ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @mrsaturday@shitposter.world Unfortunately for you my fediverse instance does not use the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines so I'm gonna call you a TERF.
     
     Fuck you, TERF

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     Taylan (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 08:09:39 JST Taylan

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     @SuperDicq @ArdainianRight @mangeurdenuage @mrsaturday
     
     I consider "TERF" to be a hateful slur. It's used to dehumanise people and incite violence:
     
     https://feministwiki.org/wiki/TERF
     
     And no, "he" would be correct in my language for a transwoman, since he's a man who "identifies as" (believes that he is) a woman, but isn't actually one.
     
     Usually I use gender neutral pronouns out of politeness though.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 08:12:58 JST SuperDicq

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     @taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org @ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @mrsaturday@shitposter.world You're the part of the problem that gives people like Drew ammunition.
     
     If you're gonna interpret these guidelines wrong in order to push your TERF agenda then he's right, it is transphobic.

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     Taylan (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 08:12:59 JST Taylan

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     @SuperDicq @ArdainianRight @mangeurdenuage @mrsaturday
     
     Ok, fuck you, sexist pig. :blobcat-shrug:
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 08:15:54 JST SuperDicq

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     @taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org @ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @mrsaturday@shitposter.world Ah yes you're gonna do the whole stereotypical "achually its about women's rights" that I've read a million times. Get lost.

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     Taylan (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 08:15:55 JST Taylan

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     @SuperDicq @ArdainianRight @mangeurdenuage @mrsaturday
     
     Congratulations on being part of the problem along with Drew then.
     
     "TERF agenda" lol
     
     Ever heard of women's rights?
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 08:17:45 JST SuperDicq

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     @taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org @ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @mrsaturday@shitposter.world
     
     I'm being 100% serious but you're so deep into transphobic bullshit you simply don't even see it. Like a fish that doesn't know it's in water.

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     Taylan (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 08:17:46 JST Taylan

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     @SuperDicq @ArdainianRight @mangeurdenuage @mrsaturday
     
     I'm being 100% serious but you're so deep into sexist bullshit you simply don't even see it. Like a fish that doesn't know it's in water.