@aetios@sns.minovsky.space @sun@shitposter.world Our policy on CSAM is actually quite progressive.
They see the concept of "sexting" between people in the same age bracket as part of healthy sexual development for teenagers growing up in the digital age.
Those videos and pictures ending up in the wrong hands is still abuse however. Offlimits says that breaking E2E encryption to introduce automated scanning of CSAM material can lead to false positives and reduce security, so they conclude that ChatControl is more likely to increase child abuse rates than decrease it.
And you what, I can't disagree.
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 22:43:58 JST 
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 22:46:25 JST 
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@SuperDicq @aetios children shouldn't be sexting but making that illegal is fucking insane.
I have read the arguments about false positives, they basically say that at current funding levels the police don't have the manpower to address all the reports they will get. the obvious retort to this by authoritarians will just be "increase police manpower" though, it's not an existential argument against chat control.翠星石 and Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: like this. -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 22:55:52 JST 
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@SuperDicq @aetios @sun Also one thing that I often wonder is about the positions of various offices likes Offlimits.nl when it comes to building CSAM scanners because by definition they require having a CSAM collection to create which to me nobody should have long-term except maybe something like offline storage for archival of case evidences. feld likes this. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 22:59:17 JST
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @aetios worth mentioning that I discovered several months back that a ton of child welfare orgs do support Chat Control (they all take millions of dollars/euros from governments, go figure.) Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:01:26 JST
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@sun@shitposter.world @aetios@sns.minovsky.space Drinking, smoking and doing drugs are all things that teenagers shouldn't be doing, or anyone at all really. But almost everyone does it or has at least experimented with it at some point, same with sexting.
I believe that running discouraging campaigns for teenagers to do these things does not work. It has never worked.
I think as a society it would be much better if we simply accepted that these things happen so that we can talk about it. If teenagers are going to be punished they are going to hide it instead and will refuse to talk to an adult when things go wrong. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:06:15 JST
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @aetios@sns.minovsky.space @sun@shitposter.world You don't need a long-term CSAM collection to run a CSAM scanner service, all you need to do is save the filehash and then you can delete the files. I think this is also how Offlimits' scanner works.
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smug@smuganimeavatar.xyz's status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:06:41 JST 
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Thorn is actively lobbying for it and it's was co-founded by Ashton Kutcher.
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:07:26 JST
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @aetios@sns.minovsky.space @sun@shitposter.world ChatControl however includes plans to train neural networks to detect new CSAM that is not in the existing hash database.
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:08:10 JST
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@SuperDicq @aetios my position is that sharing nude pictures is inherently dangerous but in particular when you cannot trust the corporations that mediate the transfer and sharing of such pictures. I don't think it's like, immoral. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:09:31 JST
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@smug@smuganimeavatar.xyz Thorn isn't even European. Why the fuck are they lobbying here? GTFO
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:11:32 JST
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@SuperDicq @smug thorn is specifically about child abuse, a lot of orgs are general "child welfare" and are international -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:12:01 JST
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@sun@shitposter.world @aetios@sns.minovsky.space Yeah that I agree, sharing nude pictures online is inherently dangerous (for any age actually).
We should educate children on online safety and to not trust big tech. Promote decentralized social media and encrypted chat messaging in schools!Sick Sun likes this. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:14:36 JST
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@SuperDicq @aetios when I am a parent I will try to protect them but I expect them to try to hide things from me like I did with my parents, it's the eternal cycle. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:21:00 JST
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@sun@shitposter.world @aetios@sns.minovsky.space I don't have plans to become a parent but if I accidentally do become a parent I will definitely try to make sure that my children would feel comfortable sharing these sorts of things.
Like for example my first experiences with both alcohol and weed all had at least someone's parent present actually.Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:22:11 JST 
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@smug @SuperDicq @lanodan @sun @aetios I'd probably be distancing myself from anything to do with Ashton Kutcher at the moment, but that's just me Sick Sun likes this. -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:23:40 JST
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@SuperDicq @aetios @sun Yeah that would work and with maybe some kind of visual fingerprint so re-encoding/crop/screenshot/… doesn't bypasses it. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:24:58 JST
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@SuperDicq @aetios i am not going to get upset about my kid smoking weed and i would teach my kid about sex and consent but things like unrestricted access to pornography bothers me greatly. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:26:58 JST
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@sun@shitposter.world @aetios@sns.minovsky.space Why does access to pornography bother you specifically?
Personally if I had kids I would be a lot more worried if I knew my kid was out drinking booze than if they were jorking their peanits. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:29:04 JST
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@mrsaturday@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world @aetios@sns.minovsky.space I personally think that's way too late and will get in the way of your kid's social development.
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John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:29:05 JST
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@sun @SuperDicq @aetios Honestly, kids shouldn't have unsupervised internet access before 16, and unfiltered before 18, and it should be made very clear to them the kind of people that tend to try to influence them. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:29:07 JST
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@mrsaturday @SuperDicq @aetios that is absolutely my biggest concern about parenting, is effectively teaching a kid about all the people who are leading you to harm to benefit themselves -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:31:21 JST
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@SuperDicq @aetios @sun Yup, I'd much rather it would be some hash database that you'd download (likely partially, like via truncating the hash to get a filename).
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:32:30 JST
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@mrsaturday@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world @aetios@sns.minovsky.space Of course it also depends on your child because every child is different in what they can handle.
I have had unsupervised and unfiltered internet access since age 11 and I turned out fine.Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:32:42 JST
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @aetios you need the actual pictures to make better detection. photodna isn't the final word on perceptual hashing -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:35:32 JST
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@mrsaturday@shitposter.world @aetios@sns.minovsky.space @sun@shitposter.world I'm pretty sure my parents were aware of the fact that I was already smart enough to not do anything stupid. Of course I have to add that I'm not the most neurotypical person.
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John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:35:33 JST
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@SuperDicq @aetios @sun I'm glad you did. But is that due to luck, good advice, or what? -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:38:04 JST
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@sun @SuperDicq @aetios Yeah I think filehash would means it's prevented from even being saved and visual hash would prevent publishing it and report to moderators (I expect most would just check the context and never want to look at the picture). -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:40:07 JST
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@mrsaturday@shitposter.world @aetios@sns.minovsky.space @sun@shitposter.world Honestly if I didn't have my own computer with internet access at an early age I would've never gotten into programming and GNU/Linux stuff.
If all this stuff had to wait until 18 like according to you I definitely wouldn't be decently paid software developer like I am today.
But on the other hand I wouldn't have discovered anime and I wouldn't have watched Initial D and I wouldn't spend half my paycheck on car parts every month. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:42:24 JST
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@SuperDicq @aetios @mrsaturday i would be a lesser person if my parents never let me spend entire days traveling on my own for miles, or burning shit up with a chemistry set, or making fireworks or dry ice bombs or treehouses where the floor fell out. -
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Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:54:53 JST
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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @mrsaturday @aetios you can't live the childhood i lived in america anymore -
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Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra! (mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 23:54:56 JST
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@sun @SuperDicq @mrsaturday @aetios it's wild to read this when my life has been 80% staying in my house with my puter
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John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Oct-2024 02:47:48 JST
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@SuperDicq @aetios @sun A computer is one thing, unsupervised access to Discord or Pornhub is another. I'd be fine with gaming or using it for research or tinkering and such, but the internet has a lot of bad stuff on it. I'd rather they be a little more secure in who they are before they go encountering the various creeps, ideologues, and schizos you encounter. Sick Sun likes this.
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