Conversation

Notices

Embed this notice
pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 14:54:19 JST pistolero
@TheMadPirate @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 Reality is weird; fiction is a person conveying ideas. Not in the preachy sense, not a moral proscription, but A Clockwork Orange is a guy working out some ideas about the nature of free will (and the part that Kubrick left on the floor, destruction as a petty/juvenile activity that people grow out of, even if they live in a shitty society), Catch-22 is about the absurdity of war, and The Crying of Lot 49 is Pynchon trying to make you watch him jack off. (I hear Gravity's Rainbow is better but I liked only one page of Lot 49 and I don't wanna comb through to find it but it's the conversation in the bar.)

I had a conversation with @jesu and he mentioned that Kubrick's movies were generally better than the books he used and I immediately thought of "The Shining" and said that anyone that can turn a Stephen King novel into something good is clearly a genius, but I will say that A Clockwork Orange is an exception. There's no way to really do a 1:1 translation of 250 pages of words into 2 hours of people running around talking so it's not really that Kubrick failed at anything (it was still a really good movie) but it's really hard to touch Burgess.

In conversation about 2 months ago from fsebugoutzone.org permalink
- ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 14:55:16 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
  in reply to
  @p@fsebugoutzone.org @TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com @jesu@pl.kotobank.ch @kasdeya@tech.lgbt @kitsunecafe@tech.lgbt @lispi314@udongein.xyz The novel and movie of Clockwork are both amazing in their own right. I recently got the latest and fanciest version of the movie and re-watched it after not having seen it in near 20 years. It's amazing how my friend group memes from the movie flowed naturally back into my brain. And we are gen X- so the movie was ancient news for us at the time. Other than the lingering transgressive aura it still had, Blue Velvet was probably more in the forefront of edgy and adult things to try and sneak a viewing of. That or straight porn.
  In the modern era, it suffers from the over reliance on narration- and some of the back projection scenes driving in the car are especially cheesy looking- but I have to imagine they were somewhat comical even then. Aside from the UK ban of the movie entirely- there were clearly humorous bits of the movie to temper the nastiness.
  
  The shining book isn't bad... But goddamn the movie is top tier. It's one of the ones that if i run across it randomly playing on a station, i'll probably get sucked in and watch the whole thing. 2001 is the same.
  Room 237 is worth a watch for shining movie fans. It goes... way too far off the deep end- but i love that the movie can generate that interest.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 14:55:22 JST pistolero
  in reply to
  @miscbrains @TheMadPirate @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 @jesu
  
  > In the modern era, it suffers from the over reliance on narration-
  
  Pff. Narration is considered gauche because hacks use it; this doesn't mean that every use of it is bad writing. It worked in that movie.
  
  > Aside from the UK ban of the movie entirely-
  
  Of course, they had to: the movie was about "the European Union is Hitler II". :alex:
  
  > The shining book isn't bad...
  
  The best you can hope from Stephen King is "well, it didn't physically *hurt*".
  
  > Room 237 is worth a watch for shining movie fans.
  
  Haven't heard of it; will put it in the queue.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 14:55:22 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
  in reply to
  @p@fsebugoutzone.org @TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com @kasdeya@tech.lgbt @kitsunecafe@tech.lgbt @lispi314@udongein.xyz @jesu@pl.kotobank.ch 237 is like peak autism about the movie and sets etc, and it admittedly goes off the rails into general Kubrick rumor mongering because of him being a prime suspect for the moon landing shenanigans. But I enjoyed it for what it's worth.
  
  Kubrick is/was a dang treasure.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 14:56:48 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:
  in reply to
  @miscbrains @TheMadPirate @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 @p @jesu Talking about Kubrick, not watching dr strange love is a crime. Its 100% one of his best movies but people don't seem to have watched it at all.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:25:23 JST pistolero
  in reply to
  @dcc @miscbrains @TheMadPirate @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 :strangelovewant:
  
  The general topic was art and soullessness and stealing; Kubrick was used as an example of a guy that was making original works of art despite often adapting novels. So A Clockwork Orange and 2001 and The Shining were mentioned because they're adaptations of novels.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:25:46 JST pistolero
  in reply to
  @miscbrains @TheMadPirate @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 @jesu
  
  > They are anything but the pinnacle of prose, but honestly a good chunk of his books were very addictive reads.
  
  John Carpenter did a better Stephen King than Stephen King. I will fight anyone.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: and ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: like this.
- Embed this notice
  Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:25:47 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
  in reply to
  @p@fsebugoutzone.org @TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com @kasdeya@tech.lgbt @kitsunecafe@tech.lgbt @lispi314@udongein.xyz @jesu@pl.kotobank.ch In the modern era, it suffers from the over reliance on >narration-Pff. Narration is considered gauche because hacks use >>it; this doesn't mean that every use of it is bad >>writing. It worked in that movie.Neat. Nested quotes work on misskey. lul.
  To be clear- I wasn't saying the narration heavy presentation was bad. I love the movie, I was a film major in college lol. But in the modern, low attention span era- it would be appreciated more for the design and soundtrack elements than for the language and societal implications if it was appreciated at all most likely.The best you can hope from Stephen King is "well, it >didn't physically hurt".They are anything but the pinnacle of prose, but honestly a good chunk of his books were very addictive reads.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:27:10 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
  in reply to
  @dcc@annihilation.social @TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com @kasdeya@tech.lgbt @kitsunecafe@tech.lgbt @lispi314@udongein.xyz @p@fsebugoutzone.org @jesu@pl.kotobank.ch It is one of the few movies i'll seek out for a midnight showing.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:27:18 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:
  in reply to
  @p @TheMadPirate @miscbrains @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 True
  TheyLiveOBEY-519x346.jpg
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  Attachments
  1. TheyLiveOBEY-519x346.jpg
    https://annihilation.social/media/aa9eba8a-6c71-4cdc-bc69-d20ee22962b3/TheyLiveOBEY-519x346.jpg?name=TheyLiveOBEY-519x346.jpg
- Embed this notice
  Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:27:34 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
  in reply to
  @p@fsebugoutzone.org @dcc@annihilation.social @TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com @jesu@pl.kotobank.ch @kasdeya@tech.lgbt @kitsunecafe@tech.lgbt @lispi314@udongein.xyz It's relatively rare for film directors to also be the writers. Auteur theory throws a wrinkle into it, but generally speaking it is legitimately a collab most of the time.
  
  *Lynch writing, directing, composing, and scoring shit is kind of in it's own arena at this point. Love him or no.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:30:38 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:
  in reply to
  @p @TheMadPirate @miscbrains @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 American psycho might be a another good example of a novel becoming a "better" film than it was a novel. But yea (i just wanted to mention dr strange love :home_fill: )
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:32:36 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
  in reply to
  @dcc@annihilation.social @TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com @kasdeya@tech.lgbt @kitsunecafe@tech.lgbt @lispi314@udongein.xyz @p@fsebugoutzone.org @jesu@pl.kotobank.ch Sir. I own the laserdisc of Strangelove. I'm still trying to figure out what version on bluray i want to buy. Just snagged this charmer.
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  Attachments
  1. Untitled attachment
    https://essthree.brainsoap.net/misc/null/1b2ff3d4-5109-4716-ad41-51ea306ec275.png
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:39:33 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:
  in reply to
  @teratology @p @miscbrains @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 They them self's did not understand what they wrote. (the movies charm really does come mostly from christian bale)
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  cipote :bishrexual: (teratology@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:39:35 JST cipote :bishrexual:
  in reply to
  @dcc @p @miscbrains @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 American Psycho was written by a gay man and directed by a woman which is funny considering it's mass appeal
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:41:34 JST pistolero
  in reply to
  @dcc @TheMadPirate @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 @miscbrains I haven't read the novel, but I hear they make it more ambiguous whether the killing was all in his head or if he actually did it and everyone ignored it.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:45:52 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:
  in reply to
  @teratology @p @miscbrains @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 >more gruesome
  I think that made the movie better, the movie works much better framed as a sorta comedic slasher than it does a thriller imo.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  cipote :bishrexual: (teratology@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:45:53 JST cipote :bishrexual:
  in reply to
  @dcc @p @miscbrains @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 the book is a lot more gruesome than the film tbh, but I agree about Bale. He was great in the Dark Knight trillogy since he did give off Bruce Wayne, mentally ill bat cosplayer vigilante vibes.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:58:09 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
  in reply to
  @dcc@annihilation.social @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @p@fsebugoutzone.org @jesu@pl.kotobank.ch @kasdeya@tech.lgbt @kitsunecafe@tech.lgbt @lispi314@udongein.xyz It walks the line just right. I'd be hard pressed to say how i categorize it. I'd maybe lump it in with a few pitch black dark comedies, but it wouldn't be really wrong to throw it in with say... Heathers or Harold and Maude either if your frame of mind watching it at the moment leans more to the absurd.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 15:58:43 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
  in reply to
  @dcc@annihilation.social @p@fsebugoutzone.org @TheMadPirate@detroitriotcity.com @jesu@pl.kotobank.ch @kasdeya@tech.lgbt @kitsunecafe@tech.lgbt @lispi314@udongein.xyz Mentioning Strangelove, even in the most off topic arena is a victimless crime. Might be even classified as a public good.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:08:07 JST pistolero
  in reply to
  @teratology @dcc @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 @miscbrains I think it's only funny if you think that matters much in terms of mass appeal; Fight Club was also wildly popular.
  
  Good artists tend to be up to wacky shit. William S. Burroughs and Hunter S. Thompson and Philip K. Dick, people like that, they basically just monetized the degeneracy, and the world is a better place for it. So musicians overdosing and actors pulling their dicks out and authors being completely unable to write a book while sober and that kind of thing, like...do you want art or not? You kick out the degenerates and you get people that can act normal, and people that can act normal are either normal people (and probably make shitty art) or they're psychopaths (and tend more towards sadism and power games than good, old-fashioned buggery). (The exception to this rule is, of course, child actors. That guy that pulled his dick out at Shirley Temple should have been dragged into the street and shot, and it is to this city's shame that he wasn't, but it is a small comfort that she just started laughing uncontrollably and left the room when this made him angry.)
  
  People at the extreme end of any endeavor are like that. Hamming said that the problem with Bell Labs was that AT&T shifted hiring policy for researchers: the researchers were in charge of hiring, and this moved to the business guys that didn't understand the research, and he said that a lot of researchers are off-putting. I forget the exact quote (I will canbearsed to extract the clip from his lecture at some point) but it was something like, "Someone with novel ideas about physics will also often have novel ideas about appropriate behavior or personal hygiene." So, you want good code, you need to let the guy that looks like the dude from Falling Down arrange his pencils, the guy in the hoodie that never shows up before lunch, the whole programming socks crowd; you are going to waste some talent when you fire someone for making fart noises during a presentation by HR on acting normal. (My old boss told me a story about Yahoo's "naked sysadmin". He would just strip naked and work directly in the machine room, with the desert-level humidity and deafening fans and his dick out. The compromise was that he worked at night when no one else was there and any company recognition of the nudity was to remain completely unofficial: "don't ask, don't tell, don't get caught".)
  
  All the people doing interesting things are weird fuckers. You just need to rope off the "weird fucker zones" and not let the normies into them. This industry turned to shit when they started saying "You can't sleep under your desk, I don't care how interested you are in the problem."
  degeneracy.webm
  weirdhackers.png
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  Attachments
  1. degeneracy.webm
  2. weirdhackers.png
    https://fsebugoutzone.org/media/657a6228-f687-42c2-9fca-3d93294c3498/weirdhackers.png?name=weirdhackers.png
- Embed this notice
  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:11:30 JST pistolero
  in reply to
  @dcc @teratology @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 @miscbrains I think it's more that degeneracy and novel concepts go hand in hand. Not that acting like a lunatic will make you an artist (although in the case of Jarmusch and many others, acting like a lunatic can convince people that you are doing art), but that people creating amazing things are usually also lunatics.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:17:55 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:
  in reply to
  @teratology @p @miscbrains @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 >were making fun of the very people that admire
  That's because its hard to make fun of the people they are trying to. :pepe_cofe:
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  cipote :bishrexual: (teratology@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:17:56 JST cipote :bishrexual:
  in reply to
  @p @dcc @miscbrains @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 Fight Club was also written by a gay man. The point is that the authors were making fun of the very people that admire the characters in these films.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:29:15 JST pistolero
  in reply to
  @teratology @dcc @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 @miscbrains
  
  > Fight Club was also written by a gay man.
  
  This was my point, yes.
  
  > The point is that the authors were making fun of the very people that admire the characters in these films.
  
  Ah, okay. I mean, I try to avoid taking idiots' into consideration: anyone that can't see that the movie was satire doesn't have an opinion worth discussing. That's not elitism, it's just that there are plenty of idiots all over the earth and they're numerous and loud and everyone's heard everything they have to say.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:38:09 JST pistolero
  in reply to
  @miscbrains @dcc @kasdeya @teratology @kitsunecafe @lispi314 @jesu
  
  > But i'd need you to expound your beef.
  
  I can't see the whole thread (tech.lgbt accounts) but I was tagged in during the Jarmusch discussion.
  
  > I'm not giving him a total pass,
  
  The only zombie movie that actually made me angry was "The Dead Don't Die" and I shut it off. Dickhead got the studio to fund him drinking with famous people for a few weeks and that's fine but instead of containing the excrement, he served it on a plate to real humans with a sneer.
  
  I did not care much for Coffee and Cigarettes; I'm convinced that Dead Man might have only been saved by Johnny Depp and that the emperor might have no clothes. I'd have to rewatch it. Even Johnny Depp couldn't save his terrible divorce from eating his finances, though; the one man that I thought was immune to movies that exist to pay the rent ended up making Transcendence.
  
  Platoon is still on my list but I'm now wary of it.
  
  > wes anderson
  
  Wes Anderson made one movie ten times. It was a good movie but I've seen it.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:38:10 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
  in reply to
  @p@fsebugoutzone.org @dcc@annihilation.social @teratology@the.asbestos.cafe @jesu@pl.kotobank.ch @kasdeya@tech.lgbt @kitsunecafe@tech.lgbt @lispi314@udongein.xyz I might have to internet fight you about Jarmusch. But i'd need you to expound your beef.
  I'm not giving him a total pass, but given dead man, coffee and cigarettes, and any given 3rd movie- I'll choose only lovers left alive- he's one of the few american directors still making movies that i kind of keep track of.
  
  *
  lynch
  jarmusch
  wes anderson
  whit stillman- not currently active
  benson and moorehead
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:42:48 JST pistolero
  in reply to
  @dcc @teratology @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 @miscbrains I mean, the target of the satire was the useless finance class and perpetual Goldman Sachs cocksuckers Bill and Hillary Clinton eliminated Glass-Steagall, leading to the Total Financialization of Everything, leading to the current economy and the Larry Fink and all of that horseshit.
  american_monster.jpg
  compassbanks.png
  four_megabanks.png
  youwouldntbankrupt.jpg
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  Attachments
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:43:47 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:
  in reply to
  @p @miscbrains @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @teratology @lispi314 I was more referring to the idea of being the lone guy, rather than the class but fair enough.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:50:51 JST pistolero
  in reply to
  @goo @dcc @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 @miscbrains @teratology That's why I mentioned Fight Club, but it turns out that I had missed the point of the post that pointed this out.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
- Embed this notice
  Ayam Geprek (goo@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:50:52 JST Ayam Geprek
  in reply to
  @p @dcc @miscbrains @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @teratology @lispi314 wasn't American psycho written by a gay too
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
- Embed this notice
  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Sep-2024 16:53:24 JST pistolero
  in reply to
  @dcc @jesu @kasdeya @kitsunecafe @lispi314 @miscbrains @teratology Oh, well the guy was hilarious.
  
  In conversation about 2 months ago permalink
  
  ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.

Public

Conversation

Notices

Feeds