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    Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:21:57 JST Christmas Sun Christmas Sun

    Reminder that if you are posting on the Fediverse, decentralization is massively more energy wasteful than using a centralized platform like X.

    In conversation about 4 months ago from shitposter.world permalink
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      Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:25:45 JST Christmas Sun Christmas Sun
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      • cool_boy_mew
      @coolboymew yes, imagine having to do TLS negotiation and shooting traffic across the entire Internet between hundreds of general-purpose servers instead of having a server farm full of specialized low power machines that are communicating over a crossbar or a hop or two on a local network.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:25:46 JST cool_boy_mew cool_boy_mew
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      @sun is it?
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Fish in the percolator (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:28:46 JST Fish in the percolator Fish in the percolator
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      @sun if you use decentralized media you don’t care about the poorest of the poor in the global south
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      kochlé (cohle@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:29:02 JST kochlé kochlé
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      @sun I guess we need post rationing to conserve energy. Everyone gets 10 posts and post interactions per day. It's the only way to save the planet.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:30:54 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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      @sun To be honest I'd quite wonder, like remember X isn't a single server, so on a technical and energy usage level I'd expect it to be quite comparable. (Although mastodon seems horribly inefficient)
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:31:49 JST Christmas Sun Christmas Sun
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      @lanodan I address this further down, it's comparable but still way more efficient because on the Fediverse you maximize distrust between nodes and have to account for that.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:33:55 JST Christmas Sun Christmas Sun
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      @lanodan so like if you go into a Google datacenter, they still do TLS between individual machines, as a direct result of resisting NSA spying when the USG was breaking into and exfiltrating data from their physical datacenters. But Google/AWS also runs custom hardware that is way more energy efficient than like Hetzner.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:34:14 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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      @sun Which for X would be redundancy?
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:35:24 JST Christmas Sun Christmas Sun
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      @lanodan X uses more electricity but per person it's probably way lower than a Fediverse person if you lump together everyone and divide by how much computing is done
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:40:54 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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      @sun I'd kind of doubt the efficient hardware claim, otherwise there would be Google/AWS-like servers being sold, or even dedicated hardware like boards inside of NAS being actually more than general purpose SoC + storage controller.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:42:36 JST Christmas Sun Christmas Sun
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      @lanodan the hardware is proprietary and they recycle it. amazon intel cpus are often even private runs specifically for them designed to be more efficient.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:45:28 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      @sun At least I see the custom hardware more as like controlling their stack down to the hardware so it's easier to manage (specially with vendor BMCs being a PITA) and evolve, rather than about efficiency.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      SataNEET Panic (emoisdeadandsoami@mastodon.bv.linksjugend-solid.de)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:50:31 JST SataNEET Panic SataNEET Panic
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

      @sun @lanodan also Google has pretty decent heat re-use while usual or small-scale servers just treat heat as a nuisance

      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      meeper@mai.waifuism.life's status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:52:44 JST meeper meeper
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

      @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me honestly a teitter like every post is cached architecture is kinda disingenous for federated networks (and in general tbh?, posts should be discarded after a while like irc imo unless explicitly archived

      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:52:55 JST Christmas Sun Christmas Sun
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • meeper
      @meeper @lanodan there is some work being done on this to standardize expiring posts
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      meeper@mai.waifuism.life's status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:54:44 JST meeper meeper
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

      @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me honestly think activity pub fediverse is a dead end has the same kind of problems with wayland but a much worse core architecture

      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 01:54:44 JST Christmas Sun Christmas Sun
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • meeper
      @meeper @lanodan it's very bad and I don't recommend it anymore. All my friends are on here but unfortunately also a ton of people I realized I hate sharing reality with
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 02:01:30 JST Christmas Sun Christmas Sun
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • meeper
      @meeper @lanodan Fediverse active users is going down and BlueSky is sucking all the enthusiasm out of the room for itself. BlueSky's decentralization is a giant sham but the way it's built is better for people that want strong moderation, Fedi is just architecturally NEVER going to be good at that. I wonder if in a few years we'll be back to 2016 levels of use. Honestly that might make it tolerable again for me. Nothing sufficiently decentralized is really on the horizon to replace Fedi because of the inherent problems. You could solve a ton of problems by replacing ActivityPub with something else but a bunch of problems are just baked into decentralization and normies are never going to want to come here.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      meeper@mai.waifuism.life's status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 02:01:31 JST meeper meeper
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

      @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me hopefully someone comes out of the blue and makes something better ig.Fedi being open at least allows basic interoperability to be feasible giving a transition course and we can try a better architectute for communication (like one more fundamentally based on groups and more like a discord chat)

      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 02:03:18 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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      • meeper
      @meeper @sun So far none of the ones I've seen could offer any transition from the Fediverse, so none of them are particularly interesting.
      It's like arguing about IRC vs. XMPP vs. Matrix and I just don't see the point, they're too different to ever realistically merge, even accounts can't be.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Lina Inver?e (lina@eientei.org)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 02:04:41 JST Lina Inver?e Lina Inver?e
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • meeper
      @sun @meeper @lanodan >Fediverse active users is going down
      GOOD
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Sally (sally@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 02:04:43 JST Sally Sally
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • meeper
      @sun
      @meeper @lanodan

      What the Twitter crowd sees as problems, us non-psyopped folk see as features.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 02:17:04 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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      • meeper
      • Sally
      @sally @meeper @sun Even regardless of whatever political alignments, I don't think I would go back to centralised social networks.

      It's like if all the cafe/bars/… in the area were managed by the same bloke instead of being independent.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Sally (sally@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 02:17:05 JST Sally Sally
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • meeper
      @sun
      @meeper @lanodan


      > but the way it's built is better for people that want strong moderation

      The way it's built is that if you make a post saying I don't like <minority> you get permabanned, but advocating murdering people that infringes copyright laws is cool and good.

      Strong moderation for thee but not for me, because I'm from the tooth paste flag crowd, a jew or whatever other bullshit minority they shield behind.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Sally (sally@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 02:24:22 JST Sally Sally
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • meeper
      @lanodan
      @meeper @sun


      There's nothing good about them, they've raised a generation of NPCs specifically brainwashed to work inside centralized, corporate and proprietary social media, Bluesky is doing exactly that as well.

      There's three kinds of people in Bluesky, those that do nothing more than shill the platform 24/7 like braindead cryptobros, those american Twitter leftist degenerates that say the most unhinged, batshit insane take about whatever, and those that are both. They keep bitching about Twitter being full of bigot NPCs, yet they're exactly the same breed on the opposite side of the spectrum, being stuck in a room with freaks blinds your judgement.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      x (ten@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 02:36:29 JST x x
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • meeper
      @sun @meeper @lanodan p2poids will never have nice things
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 11:22:50 JST Christmas Sun Christmas Sun
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • Ignas Kiela
      @ignaloidas @lanodan For the CPUs I am not sure everything they do but I do know that they lie about their capabilities and so the motherboard has to be custom to override it. As for the Google mobos yeah nobody outside the Google datacenters can run something so specially designed, and for the AWS ones, they have special proprietary key management hardware.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 11:22:52 JST Ignas Kiela Ignas Kiela
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

      @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me AFAIK while they do get some custom SKUs, it's usually just simple tweaks on core count, frequency and the like, and not new silicon

      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Account: Computers (pro@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 11:22:58 JST Account: Computers Account: Computers
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • meeper
      @sun @meeper @lanodan So to me you're saying that Fedi and AP follow the trajectory of RSS.
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 11:30:28 JST Christmas Sun Christmas Sun
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • Account: Computers
      • meeper
      @pro @meeper @lanodan even worse
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 11:31:53 JST Fediverse Contractor Fediverse Contractor
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      • Account: Computers
      • meeper
      It's almost like fedi is a pos idk
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 11:36:03 JST feld feld
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      • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
      @lanodan @sun if every server has its own power supply, it's definitely less efficient than a rack of servers powered by a shared DC bus bar
      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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      チャノさん (japananon@mitra.anon-kenkai.com)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 11:41:46 JST チャノさん チャノさん
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      @sun Still worth it.

      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink
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