@HistoPol@Outmazi Thanks for the link and the support. My degree is in #PsychologicalMeasurement. Interestingly, one can prompt Google Gemini and ChatGPT to characterize the personalities of politicians and people on the web from using their own words and various psychological instruments:
@HistoPol@Outmazi I have a friend who actually does psychological evaluations of astronauts for NASA. And does market research for gigs. I have taken just about every test--professionally and to understand me. I scored 100% on the Openness scale and asked him what that meant. His response was, "You probably won't be eating at Friendly's." LOLOLOL.
@paninid@HistoPol@Outmazi They all have biases. It's easy to spot the biases when they are said out loud. It's much harder to spot biases when things are not said: omitted, obnubilated, obfuscated.
@paninid@HistoPol@Outmazi I use all the AIs. LOL I treat them like #SpecialNeedsStudents: some can see the web and images, some are non-verbal, some forget things and have a short attention span. LOL. I have been trying to create an R script that prompts all of them the same thing, return the response to the promt and put the responses in a side by side table for comparison.
For people like famous and infamous politicians and celebs it shoul really soon become possible to generate psychological profiles (#Profiling) and predict their probable reactions to certain circumstances or responses to questions about public issues. 🤔
@HistoPol@paninid@Outmazi I do it manually and shove the responses into spreadsheets. It's a time consuming royal pain in the ass to do. But the exercise is very illuminating.
One of my two favorite sagas. 😀 However, if I remember it correctly, #Asimov's #Psychohistory was about predicting the evolution/behavior of a large number of people, not individuals.
Ever since #FrankHerbert's #Dune, who was blowing into the same horn, I think that, in fact there are individual people whose actions can have on society.
For instance, take the #Republican chief economist #JamesBuchanan. Wiki states that he was converted from...
...here the oligarchy or a (political) movement will definitely have had a significant historical impact, making the individual's impact more difficult to differentiate.
@HistoPol@paninid@Outmazi I will NOT use Excel if I can help it. I am a big believer in FOSS. I spent years working for Pharma and was nailed in a SAS/SPSS coffin. It was prohibitively expensive. I am very glad for R.
@paninid@HistoPol@Outmazi My first experience with this was asking questions about religions. I asked questions about #Heathenry. Gemini told me some denominations were tied to #WhiteSupremacy. This was new to me. I started asking questions. Gemini Stopped Answering. ChatGPT would answer. Claude would answer. Google has an agenda.
@paninid@HistoPol@Outmazi Similarly, Gemini would not answer or would obnubilate and obfuscate for many religious denominations. I started with the PEW Religious Landscape Study to create a founders table to study Why People Believe What They Believe and how religion spreads.
@HistoPol@paninid@Outmazi@Beachbum Currently around 800 religious "denominations". I grew frustrated with Gemini when it refused to answer question. And became pedantic about founders/leaders.
@_9CL7T9k8cjnD_@HistoPol@Outmazi I wonder if you could do a data visualization on a map, showing the flow of founding year and GPS location, showing how they flowed and maybe influenced each other over time.
@HistoPol@paninid@Outmazi That's the goal. I am still collecting data. I have played with epidemiology models and gravity models. The goal is to build a #ChronoDendrogram of the spread of religious thought. I got tired adding the religions of the Parents of the founders and got more tired trying to collect the corpus of religious texts. My profile on #Xhitter is of the formation of #TheBible and other foundational texts.
Have you met Dr. Michael Blume @BlumeEvolution, a political and religious scientist, as well as a book author and blogger? He wrote an interesting article (in German, though,) on #Longtermism this week. He might be interested in your religious table on
Have you met Dr. Michael Blume @BlumeEvolution, a political and religious scientist, as well as a book author and blogger? He wrote an interesting article (in German, though,) on #Longtermism this week. He might be interested in your religious table on "Why People Believe What They Believe and how religion spreads."
@HistoPol@paninid@Outmazi I am leaning toward Bayesian Analysis but need to collect the elements that probably contribute to how religious thought spreads. An example, Martin Luther Rebelled and according to one account, Luther nailed his Ninety-five Theses to the door of All Saints' Church in Wittenberg on 31 October 1517.
@HistoPol@paninid@Outmazi There are multiple accounts and many doubts depending on which version of History one chooses. That's part of why I want to use Bayesian Analysis and have looked at #PeterTurchin 's #SeshatProject
@_9CL7T9k8cjnD_ As I can't decipher anything and as I am a fan of #Egyptology, is #Amenophis IV/#Akhenaten/ #Akhenaton/ #Echnaton, the inventor of #monotheism in your table? In particular, is there a connection to the #Abrahamic religions? As the heretic pharaoh was later on expunged from history by his successors and the #Amun priests as much as possible, I have often wondered whether this radical concept survived this severe punishment..
@_9CL7T9k8cjnD_ Ok, you're right I just checked at the source, who'd rather have it, so the German Lutheran Church.
It says, "It is not certain whether #Luther posted them there as pamphlets on October 31, 1517. But the #theologian brought his critical theses to the public, and they were soon translated from Latin into German, printed, distributed, and discussed throughout the country."
@HistoPol@paninid@Outmazi@Beachbum I started with the Pew Religious Landscape Study 2014 Questionnaire Code Book. I then marched through the code book asking Bard/Gemini to provide the Founder/Leader, Year of Founding, City of Founding, Latitude of City, Longitude of City. I got tired when prompting for Parents of Founder and their religions. Also was collecting Foundational texts. I was waiting until AI could read and work on my spreadsheet autonomously.
My suggestion, since the non-pro version is limited and I quite like the MS translator for scientific texts:
Copy the complete blog including the interesting comments into MS Word. Then click translate document.
If one language is English, the result is usually quite good and it only takes a minute. Also, if I'm really into the subject, I can make Comments, highlight parts, and save the whole thing on the HDD for future reference. @BlumeEvolution@paninid@Outmazi@Beachbum
It is the same person, though. #Echnaton 1) changed the name because #Amenophis is a tribute to the "household " god of the pharaohs, #Amun,* who reigned in #Thebes.
By one account, he broke the stranglehold of the priests of Amun, who had become too powerful, by making the sun god #Aton/ #Aten, the one and only god and him it's sole interlocutor.
"Akhenaten founded and moved his dynastic government to, #Akhetaten, referred to as either #Amarna, El-Amarna, or Tell el-Amarna by modern scholars." 2)
"Akhenaten's 1) monuments were dismantled and hidden, his statues were destroyed, and his name excluded from lists of rulers compiled by later pharaohs." 2)
@HistoPol@paninid@Outmazi@Beachbum Hubby and I actually got to see a lot of which you speak a few years back. We took a cruise of Greece, Italy, and Egypt. The port of Cairo/Alexandria and went to the valley of the kings, pyramids, sphinx. I would recommend it to anyone if they can.
I have actually been impressed with the machine translation of Pinking Shears by Mandy Indiana. I've had 4 years of high school French, so I get every 3rd word. Lol. https://youtu.be/V8I7JGpeI-E
I've read both versions in a synopsis and I agree the translation is quite good. I couldn't see any real error. Even though I have a degree in translations, my French is not good enough to ascertain whether the language level is kept at all times.
As you mention Schiller: He translated MacBeth. Reading that shows who really is a genius with words. I'd posit the oeuvre is equally well written in both languages.
@_9CL7T9k8cjnD_ ...an excellent translator would render the translation in British or American English of contemporaries of the late 18th / early 19th centuries as well...
@HistoPol@BlumeEvolution@paninid@Outmazi@Beachbum If you want to see something I think is amazing, take a song or a poem that has deep meaning to you personally, and prompt ChatGPT to do a Hermeneutical or Close reading of the work of art.
Do you have an nickname/alias you use here, @_9CL7T9k8cjnD_ ?
I am deeply impressed, though the poem is not all too cryptic for those people with a heart, it seems to be accessible for a nascent AGI, despite neither having one or conscious thoughts.
There are some small interpretational errors in block 1 and 4, however overall, I am deeply impressed by #ChatGPT4o .
Let's try another language w/o translation by a real master of poetry, #PabloNeruda
@_9CL7T9k8cjnD_ I have not had to much statistics, so IDK Bayesian Analysis but I am quite interested in your future findings.
I'm not sure if there is only one method/way how religious thoughts spread and in our social-media global-network society it might even be different nowadays, but looking at the new testament, traveling "missionaries" and letters to "communities" of believers (by the apostles e.g.) seem to have been a means of transmission.
...such as #Atenism, i.e. a #theocracy, it different. Echnaton provided images of him and his royal wife, Nefertiti, to the homes of his subjects and, like other pharaos, and sponsored a lot of buildings with inscriptions.
@HistoPol@paninid@Outmazi Interestingly, working through my founders table, my idea of religious transmission had to expand a couple of times to include TV, Radio, and online evangelism. I am a #RabidAtheist.