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   cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:07:22 JST cool_boy_mew
   We literally went from
   >Linux is not a a suitable OS if you want to game
   to
   >Wow, Proton actually works, Valve fixed Doom 2016 to working in a few weeks. You may have to fuck around and check ProtonDB to make things work, but hey, stuff works now
   to now
   >I don't even look at ProtonDB anymore, things just work now pretty much all the time
   Within the span of like 6-7 years
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:11:11 JST 翠星石

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     @coolboymew Linux is not an OS and never will be.
     
     WINE's bug-for-bug compatibility was already pretty good 6 years ago - it seems that valve has implemented hacks to work around game developers incompetence for most games by now.
     
     It's less bad for your freedom to be running systemd/Linux instead of windows, but to have freedom, you sadly can't run malware on your computer.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:14:20 JST 翠星石

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     • Caek Islove 🍰 💖
     @caekislove No it isn't.
     
     I don't see how a few million degenerate gamers becoming slightly less degenerate by running systemd/Linux instead of windows can be described as the "the best thing".
     
     The best thing that ever happened to Linux was how GNU existed before, having done most of the work already, plus GNU has been there every step of the way during Linux's development.
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     Caek Islove 🍰 💖 (caekislove@caekis.love)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:14:21 JST Caek Islove 🍰 💖

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     Steam Deck is probably the best thing that ever happened to Linux.
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     :cacodemon_fast_spin: (dielan@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:20:30 JST :cacodemon_fast_spin:

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     @coolboymew also nvidia has committed to making Linux drivers so you're not as fucked if you have their cards
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     wiz@loli.church's status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:20:58 JST Wiz

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     @coolboymew@shitposter.world yeah, but, what you're referring to as Linux is, in fact, GNU/Linux or as I've recently taken to calling it , GNU + Linux.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:26:50 JST 翠星石

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     @dielan No, nvidia hasn't committed to making Linux drivers.
     
     They've only committed to changing the way that they infringe the GPLv2 and giving that some "openwashing" and of course all the news sites eat it up and everyone believes that nvidia's drivers are "open source", even though there's still a bit far proprietary .elf that runs in userspace, same as a bunch of proprietary software that runs on the GPU.
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     jeff (jeff@mk.magicka.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:27:47 JST jeff

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     @coolboymew@shitposter.world and it's not even the year of the linux desktop yet

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:27:47 JST 翠星石

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     • jeff
     @jeff It will never be "the year of the linux desktop", as Linux is only a kernel and doesn't operate on its own.
     
     The year of the GNU/Linux desktop was 1995 or so, as finally you could use a modern computer in freedom again.
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:29:11 JST snacks

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     • Piggo :verified_horse:
     @piggo @coolboymew vr is a massive pain on linux and league is a very popular game
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     Piggo :verified_horse: (piggo@piggo.space)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:29:13 JST Piggo :verified_horse:

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     @coolboymew literally no excuse to use winblows anymore if you don't need Cursed Vendor IDE to run
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     jeff (jeff@mk.magicka.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:33:51 JST jeff

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     • Piggo :verified_horse:

     @snacks@netzsphaere.xyz @piggo@piggo.space @coolboymew@shitposter.world i am okay with excluding league players from linux

     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: and snacks like this.
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:37:36 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @dielan well, as someone said in the thread, easy nvidia driver installers were getting common anyways
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     :cacodemon_fast_spin: (dielan@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:37:36 JST :cacodemon_fast_spin:

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     @coolboymew honestly this feels like my karmic reward for ditching windows so long ago. It was rough for a long time, but now it's seamless
     
     Friends and family on windows come to me for tech support sometimes only for me to discover how totally alien windows is to me now. Feels good tbh
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:37:41 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @jeff @snacks @piggo usually there's a lutris install script for league I believe
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:37:41 JST snacks

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     @coolboymew @jeff @piggo getting that to work was always painful and they added kernel anticheat now. At last i'm free
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:25:17 JST 翠星石

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     @anonicus >A computer to most people is a entertainment, web browsing device, and even being something for productivity that isn't Programming.
     The whole concept of a computer is that it's a machine that it can be programmed to do any operation you want.
     
     It's downright bizarre to choose to use a computer, but then never doing any sort of programming task with it - it's like choosing to use a calculator and only ever using it to do addition and neglecting to ever something as basic as a subtraction or multiplication operate - you're better off not bothering with a calculator that needs batteries and just do the addition on paper or in your head.
     
     Sadly there are companies that release computers that are so heavily restricted that they lack basic functionality like installing (the user shouldn't be troubled by those subtraction and multiplication features) and tout that as a feature in the advert.
     
     Governments are also guilty of attempting to force all civilians to use proprietary computing, even when some civilians would be better off not using a computer at all.
     
     >The flaw to the GNU philosophy is expecting people to learn Programming to change how the software works
     Unfortunately, changing how a specific program works requires modifying the software, which is an act of programming.
     
     Trying to change the software without programming is like trying to do a square root without using math.
     
     When it comes to merely operating software, no programming is required, although many people are mislead into thinking that using a computer properly with GNU bash is programming and think it's above them until they actually try it and realize how easy it is.
     
     As always, microsoft has ruined the concept of the shell, by implementing the worst possible shell multiple times that of course is unusable.
     
     Once a user has learned the basic concept of commands, flags, files, stdin, stdout, stderr, directories and pipes, they'll very quickly work out how to change how software operates to suit them.
     
     If a user doesn't like how a program prints out each output into a newline, stdout can be piped into into GNU tr and newline can be changed to a space like so; `strings gg.png | tr '\n' ' '` - without any programming required.
     
     >In which is a difficult task on its own and takes a lot of time to learn.
     That entirely depends on the programming task. Some modifications are trivial and only require 5 minutes of learning about programming - other tasks are very difficult and require a lot of learning and application of skill.
     
     With the wonder of the internet, you can often just search the correct keywords and a lot of the time you'll get an answer on how to complete a task, programming or otherwise.
     
     You can also hop onto irc and join any channel that has skilled hackers in it and chances are, if you properly formulate your question and wait, you'll get an answer as to what you need to do to pull that off and if you wait some more, chances are the same guy will apply their own immense skillset and give you the command you need to run, or some another guy will.
     
     Configuring and debugging software can range from trivia to extremely difficult, but doing so doesn't require any programming unless the developer is insane and make editing the config file require programming JavaScript - thankfully very little of such software exists.
     
     >And if most people do not want to learn programming, It becomes no different than Proprietary to the User
     Just because a user is currently not capable of editing or understanding the software, doesn't make the user divided and helpless, like what proprietary software does.
     
     The user can ask other people to help them, or later decide that they are now willing to learn and learn how to make the modification.
     
     Even if only 5% of people are programmers, the other 95% can ask the 5% to make the wanted modification (chances are the programmers wanted to do such thing anyway, just didn't prioritize it as nobody asked), or even pay a programmer to do so, as with free software the users can help each other.
     
     >other than the mental thought of "If it's Open Source, it's not spying on me.
     Unfortunately, a lot of software that claims to be focused on "open source" does indeed have spyware implemented at some stage, although if that software is actually free software, someone always goes and takes that out and released a fixed version.
     
     >Other people can change and modify how it works but not me."
     Such sort of mindset is a defeatist mindset, very much unlike my GNU/Mindset, which is to know that I'm hopeless and don't yet have 1% of the skills of the true hackers, but I'll do it anyway, no matter what it takes, with pure GNU/will.
     
     >It's very curious to see your thoughts and opinions from someone who's Extremely GNU sided.
     I'm on the side of freedom, although GNU happens to be on the side of freedom without fail or ruinous compromise.
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     [Anonicus] (anonicus@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:25:18 JST [Anonicus]

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     • Caek Islove 🍰 💖
     @Suiseiseki @caekislove The point of a computer system is how you use it.
     A computer to most people is a entertainment, web browsing device, and even being something for productivity that isn't Programming.
     The flaw to the GNU philosophy is expecting people to learn Programming to change how the software works, In which is a difficult task on its own and takes a lot of time to learn. And if most people do not want to learn programming, It becomes no different than Proprietary to the User other than the mental thought of "If it's Open Source, it's not spying on me. Other people can change and modify how it works but not me."
     
     I will be honest, I do respect how deep you can go with the kind of stuff and how your threat model is against Proprietary and even stuff that's like MIT and other liscense Open Source is like. So to me, It's very curious to see your thoughts and opinions from someone who's Extremely GNU sided.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:28:21 JST 翠星石

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     @dielan Yes, but the discussion I've read about such new "commitment" has resulted in many people thinking that nvidia has made a substantial part of their driver source-available and I like to point out the reality any chance I get.
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     :cacodemon_fast_spin: (dielan@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:28:22 JST :cacodemon_fast_spin:

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     @Suiseiseki I never said they were open source
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     jeff (jeff@mk.magicka.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:28:56 JST jeff

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     @snacks@netzsphaere.xyz @coolboymew@shitposter.world @piggo@piggo.space linux = freedom

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:41:55 JST 翠星石

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     @JoseMariaHDZ >funny how valve does more for linux
     As far as I am aware, Valve has done almost nothing for Linux, as I haven't heard of a patch to the kernel, Linux directly from value - only a few indirect ones.
     
     Valve has paid programmers to make improvements to WINE+DVXK+esync/fsync (of which, only esync/fsync is really Linux-specific) to write a custom window manager and also did a pretty half-baked port (that still uses 32-bit libraries last time I checked) of their malware cleverly disguised as a game downloader and games.
     
     >organizations who take a lot of money in donations like fsf.
     The FSF doesn't take a lot of money in donations - it's amazing how much they've done with such little donations.
     
     The FSF does not recommend the kernel, Linux, as that is proprietary software - they support a free version called GNU Linux-libre.
     
     GNU hackers have done incredible things for Linux despite the tendency for those who see themselves as "Linux users" to pretend that GNU doesn't exist, or that GNU is only a coreutils and refer to GNU as "Linux".
     
     Despite the amount of money Valve has, they haven't really hired that many programmers.
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     Chema :verified: (josemariahdz@stereophonic.space)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:41:56 JST Chema :verified:

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     @newt @coolboymew funny how valve does more for linux than those organizations who take a lot of money in donations like fsf.
     Nowadays the only games i cant play are crappy games as a service like valorant or warzone
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:41:57 JST :suya:

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     @coolboymew praise Gabe!
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:44:37 JST 翠星石

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     @jeff >linux = freedom
     Actually, no.
     
     This proprietary software in Linux without source code, disguised as init data says no to freedom; https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/arch/powerpc/platforms/8xx/micropatch.c#n43
     
     To have freedom, you need GNU Linux-libre; https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:59:25 JST 翠星石

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     @newt >They also don't finance GNOME or GNU.
     The FSF does finance GNU - they offer hosting for GNU software, savannah (https://savannah.gnu.org/), pay for the gnu domains, handle GNU's licenses and enforcement and many other things.
     
     >Valve is basically the only one really interested in Linux becoming a widespread desktop platform.
     Valve doesn't give a shit about Linux.
     
     Valve knows that microsoft eventually is going to make it that the only software that can be installed on windows is via their "windows store" and valve simply doesn't want to have to give them a cut of their profits.
     
     Valve just looked around and found WINE and realized that it already ran much of the proprietary games that they offer, except not that great performance and then found a programmer than was writing a DX to vulkan translation layer and worked out that if such was combined to make WINE+DXVK+fsync/esync, proprietary games would run with good performance and so then hired the bare minimum of programmers to pull that off.
     
     The versions of systemd/Linux valve has released has only been targeted to "game consoles" (original "steamos") and a portable game handheld ("steam os") and also to other handhelds - they haven't made a release yet that is intended for general desktop usage.
     
     
     GNU/Linux was already suitable for usage on a desktop ever since 1995 or so.
     
     >Everyone else is borderline useless.
     It's a massive claim to say that the organization that made GNU/Linux possible and continues to support GNU, which everything depends on is "borderline useless".
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:59:26 JST :suya:

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     • mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
     @mangeurdenuage @coolboymew @JoseMariaHDZ
     FSF doesn't maintain shit. They also don't finance GNOME or GNU.
     
     Linux Foundation spends around 2% of its money on actually Linux, the rest goes to crypto, AI, fighting climate change, creating vaccine passports, and other Very Important Projects.
     
     Out of all those organisations you listed, Valve is basically the only one really interested in Linux becoming a widespread desktop platform. Everyone else is borderline useless.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 03:59:27 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @JoseMariaHDZ @coolboymew @newt
     >funny how valve does more for linux than those organizations who take a lot of money in donations like fsf.
     The FSF gets a mere million a year for maintaining the whole core of software freedom, they're like 14 in it and then it's sub foundations like the FSD, GNU, RYF, Gnome, LP etc... which they finance.
     The Linux foundation gets a quarter of a billion per year.
     
     "Valve is worth $7.7 billion in 2022. Valve generated around USD13 billion in total revenue in 2022, about USD10 billion of the revenue was from the Steam store."
     And you praise them for making a simple compatibility layer ?
     I don't say it's not worthy of thanks but putting them on a pedestal is overkill, especially for a lucrative entity with almost unlimited funds.
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     0 (https://pl.absolutelyproprietary.org/users/0)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:03:41 JST 0

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     @coolboymew Wine provided that a lot earlier if you were willing to wrench. (I played WoW exclusively on *nix.)
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:13:41 JST 翠星石

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     @newt Yes, as I mentioned above, valve doesn't care about the kernel, Linux - all they care about is preventing a seen potential of less profits.
     
     If any BSD wasn't a joke functionality wise (no GNU integration, as they hate freedom that much), Valve would have gone with a BSD instead.
     
     
     Linux will never be a working desktop system as it's only a kernel.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:13:43 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @pro @coolboymew @JoseMariaHDZ @newt motherfuck, I know about all this crap, I'm not praising the linux foundation, I'm just saying that money doesn't mean proper ratio of investment/effort/goodwill.
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:13:43 JST :suya:

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     • mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
     @mangeurdenuage @pro @coolboymew @JoseMariaHDZ the major reason Valve invested into Linux as a gaming/desktop platform was Windows 8. It introduced locked-down "metro apps" and an app store for them. Gabe was really worried about Steam going out of business if MS were to push for game publishers to only distribute software via that windows store, similar to what Apple does with iPhones. Hence, all that work on Steam Machines and SteamOS started.
     
     Now, does any of those orgs you listed really depend on Linux being a working desktop system? Naaaaaah... IBM and RH mostly get money from the cloud services, as do the rest.
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     Account: Computers (pro@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:13:44 JST Account: Computers

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     @newt @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage @JoseMariaHDZ
     If only they knew how bad things really are...
     https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-linux-foundation-and-ibm-announce-new-open-source-projects-to-promote-racial-justice-301231572.html
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:16:40 JST 翠星石

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     • mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
     @newt @mangeurdenuage GNU Emacs is an OS without itself.
     
     The diagrams are not bad, but it only pictures ~1% of GNU - 4 GNU packages out of 388; https://www.gnu.org/software/
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:16:42 JST :suya:

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     • mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
     @mangeurdenuage @pro @coolboymew @JoseMariaHDZ sorry, the only GNU software I use is Emacs.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:16:43 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @newt @pro @coolboymew @JoseMariaHDZ
     >Now, does any of those orgs you listed really depend on Linux being a working desktop system
     You sound like a layer 8 issue.
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GNU_Core_Utilities_commands
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:54:21 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @Lana @lamp @coolboymew yes, but it's a bit laggy and not very comfortable + some worlds crash it.
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     Lana (lana@imouto.exposed)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:54:22 JST Lana

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     @lamp@kitty.haus @coolboymew@shitposter.world @hj@shigusegubu.club i dont think so.

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     lamp (lamp@kitty.haus)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:54:23 JST lamp

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     @coolboymew @hj but can it run vrchat
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:58:42 JST 

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     • mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
     @pomstan @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage @JoseMariaHDZ @newt Not about the whole revenue, but here's donations at work.
     https://web.archive.org/web/20200307082219/https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/donate/
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     pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 04:58:43 JST pomstan

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     @newt @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage @JoseMariaHDZ got any sources to back that up?

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     pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 05:00:17 JST pomstan

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     @mint @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage @JoseMariaHDZ @newt i meant FSF. LF being pozzed is pretty much universally known

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     • Piggo :verified_horse:
     @snacks @piggo @coolboymew ngl league players are already salty as hell all the time. if you introduce them to linux, they would burn down this planet :siptea:
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 23:55:37 JST 翠星石

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     • mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
     @mangeurdenuage @JoseMariaHDZ Yes, because the FSF is a charity, they have to submit tax filings as to how much employees get paid; https://www.fsf.org/about/financial
     
     As you can see here; https://static.fsf.org/nosvn/financial-statements/Form990-FY2022.pdf the only employees who made a wage in 2022 are; John Sullivan, Zoe Kooyman and John Hsieh.
     
     As far as I can tell, that could be the pre-tax wage and is possibly below the typical wage as to what a competent Executive Director and Deputy Director would get in such role.
     
     Looking at the current staff and board, it appears that the individuals currently receiving a wage are all women, carrying out the job they were hired to do at the standard wage - but the IRS needs to actually process the tax filings from 2023 and soon 2024 before that can be determined; https://www.fsf.org/about/staff-and-board/
     
     It appears that most of those working at the FSF are indeed doing all of this good things for love without payment - very much so including rms - as although he could have received a wage, he determined that he didn't need one and therefore never received one.
     
     
     Now, why don't we take a look at the financial records of the Linux foundation, to see what wages the staff got for running macos?
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     @JoseMariaHDZ
     >until i saw they do in fact profit a ton of money,
     They cannot profit from it. That's why it's called a non profit.
     
     >but 100k?
     In france I can max out 36k, on this 25% you gets taxed which leaves 27k (above this is 50% tax), then I subtract food (never going out or ordering), housing, 17k is subtracted, and I haven't counted for the car, and insurances, and health etc...
     
     I know that living in the US costs a lot, and depending on your location rents and loans are even higher.
     
     >and calling this nonprofit is nonsense to me.
     Non profit doesn't mean not being able to live. It means that the work you do is free of cost for the public benefit.
     Govs would be themselves a type of non profit if taxation wasn't mandatory and if they didn't have the monopoly on violence.
     
     >that's like what i can get like in 20 years here or 2 years of work for most american ppl.
     Idk if you're serious or not.
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     @newt @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage @pomstan i as a kid and even a few years ago saw nonprofits (not FSF but in general) as heroes, "look at this people doing this good things for love and you know... for the society and a better world" :akko_listen: , until i saw they do in fact profit a ton of money, it's ok to earn money for your work, but 100k???? and calling this nonprofit is nonsense to me. that's like what i can get like in 20 years here or 2 years of work for most american ppl.
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     @pomstan @JoseMariaHDZ @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage
     oh wow... out of ~$1.3mil of revenue, FSF spends over $300k on salaries for the three people on their board.
     
     https://static.fsf.org/nosvn/financial-statements/Form990-FY2022.pdf
     
     Overall, they spend over $1.15mil on salaries, though I can't find whose from this report alone.
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     • mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
     @pomstan @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage @JoseMariaHDZ which part? About the LF? It's in their annual report.
     
     https://www.linuxfoundation.org/hubfs/Reports/lf_annualreport23_071024a.pdf
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     • mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
     @mangeurdenuage @JoseMariaHDZ Oh wait (https://lwn.net/Articles/877844/);
     
     James Zemlin, Executive Director, $874,951
     Mike Woster, Chief Revenue Officer, $598,620
     Lisbeth McNabb, Chief Finance Officer, $431,769
     Russell Farnell, Former VP Finance, $383,972
     Arpit Joshipura, GM Networking & Orchestration, $599,428
     Chris Aniszczyk, VP Strategic, $585,437
     Brian Behlendorf, Exec Director, $512,085
     Daniel Kohn, Exec Director, $508,851
     Angela Brown, GM Events, $487,358
     Michael Dolan, VP Strategic Progs, $437,085
     Clyde Seepersad, GM Training, $393,200
     Daniel Cauchy, Exec Director, $392,137
     Greg Kroah-Hartman, Fellow, $367,888
     Shubra Kar, VP Products, $275,494
     Abigail Kearns, Exec Director, $517,492
     Jerry Childers, CTO Cloud Foundry, $498,323
     Philip Robb, VP Netops, $364,437
     Josh AAS, Exec Director, $353,463
     Jamie Smith, Chief Marketing Officer, $335,542
     
     And finally, Linus Torvalds, Fellow, $1,608,158
     
     Linus sure gets a hell of a lot of money in exchange for not enforcing his license against violations and to wield his copyright against freedom (by ensuring that Linux is GPLv3-incomatible by licensing GPLv2-only instead of GPLv2-or-later).
     
     According to Lunduke, in 2021, out of all the expenditure, only 3.4% of it was for Linux; https://lunduke.substack.com/p/linux-foundation-spends-just-34-of
     
     Although that was from 2021.
     
     
     There is also a 2023 report; https://www.linuxfoundation.org/hubfs/Reports/lf_annualreport23_071024a.pdf?hsLang=en
     Of course; <xmp:CreatorTool>Adobe Illustrator 25.4 (Macintosh)</xmp:CreatorTool> - still using macos.
     
     On page 158, you can see that only 2% of their expenditures was actually spent on Linux and the rest was either shoved into the hands of proprietary software companies or something that resembles a furnace.
     
     Of course, on page 160, they put the proprietary software as the contact details up the top and the address and finally an email only at the bottom.
     
     I'm not exactly sure where to find the tax filings for 2022 or 2023, but 2021 seems to be good enough for demonstration.
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     @mangeurdenuage Sure, but this was clearly about the USA, as the FSF is based in the USA.
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     @Suiseiseki @JoseMariaHDZ
     >s a charity, they have to submit tax filings as to how much employees get paid
     That depends on the law of you country, here in france if you're small you don't have to disclose publicly all of that.
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     • mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
     @JoseMariaHDZ @mangeurdenuage My bad, the wages were from IRS filings in 2018 and not 2021.