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I am just normal /k/orean :verified: (justnormalkorean@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:35 JST 
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:25 JST 
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@bobbala @DoubleD @zeke @Escoffier @justnormalkorean I don’t have any authority to damn anyone !
The fact is, unrepentant men leaving this life as such, will not be saved. That’s not *my* idea.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:26 JST
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@bobbala @DoubleD @zeke @Escoffier @justnormalkorean Are you kidding ? When have I ever held jews to White standards ? I don’t hold them to *any* standards beyond ejecting them from whatever chunk of land I have authority over. -
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Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:26 JST 
Bob
You just did by damning them. Do you retract that.
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:27 JST
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@bobbala @DoubleD @zeke @Escoffier @justnormalkorean I will never concede that jews are White, in spite of their occasional insistence otherwise.
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Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:27 JST
Bob
So why do you hold them to White standards?
They're not White. -
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:28 JST
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@zeke @bobbala @DoubleD @Escoffier @justnormalkorean Exactly ! Saved by Grace *through Faith*. -
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Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:28 JST
Bob
Can we agree that jews are not White? -
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UnrepentantWhiteDevil (zeke@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:29 JST 
UnrepentantWhiteDevil
"We're not talking about deserve. We're talking about Mercy and Grace."
Mercy and Grace are for the repentant. The jews are recalcitrant to this very day. -
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Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:30 JST
Bob
It doesn't say that the Synagogue of Satan goes into any Lake of Fire. That's your edit. -
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UnrepentantWhiteDevil (zeke@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:30 JST
UnrepentantWhiteDevil
In the Bible, it says that at the end of the end times, all the unrighteous will go into the lake of fire, and that there will be "gnashing of teeth" in protest of their damnation. Do you really think that an ethnic group of people who rejected Christ 2000 years ago and continue to blaspheme Christ's name to this very day are "God's Chosen People" and will be spared the flames of hellfire despite doing everything exactly backwards and sinning like it's an Olympic sport?
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Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:30 JST
Bob
That's not what the Bible says about the Synagogue of Satan.
If I come to your house and shoot your dog, AND you don't punch me even tough you could ... you would be exercising mercy. I deserve it. I'm guilty.
If I come to your house and shoot your dog AND you sign over the deed to the house and give me everything you own ... that is Grace.
We're not talking about deserve. We're talking about Mercy and Grace.
We all deserve Lake of Fire. That's why we should be forgiving of others. We are in the same boat.
[Luk 6:37 KJV] 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: -
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Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:31 JST
Bob
When have they ever? Being worthy is not the qualification any of us want. We are saved. They are saved. Jesus is Worthy. -
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UnrepentantWhiteDevil (zeke@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:31 JST
UnrepentantWhiteDevil
That's a giant fucking cop out. The jews are clearly the proverbial "Synagogue of Satan," and like I said earlier, everything that they say and do outs them as Satan's servants on Earth.
Fuck the fucking jews. Same thing that God himself would say.
I look forward to watching them shoved en masse into the "Lake of Fire." No one on Earth deserves it more. -
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Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:32 JST
Bob
jews are in the Land. That was unimaginable for ~2000 years. Few get to witness that magnitude of prophecy happen before their eyes.
There's not a damn thing you can do about it.
[Amo 9:14-15 KJV] 14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit [them]; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God. -
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UnrepentantWhiteDevil (zeke@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:32 JST
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Tell me Bob, how come those people currently calling themselves jews don't fit the Biblical Covenant Promises at all? Why do they possess none of God's attributes and all of those of his adversary? -
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:33 JST
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@Escoffier @justnormalkorean @DoubleD My hometown Baptist church had a dispensationalist sweep for a while there, and a bunch of them were all gaga for “Israel”. But it looks like the Reformeds eventually edged them out after I left. The pastor there is one of the finest human beings I’ve ever met. -
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Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:33 JST 
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @justnormalkorean @DoubleD Its honestly astounding how the wildly unBiblical and wildly not what Christians of all stripes have ever believed crap that is dispensationalism swept like wildfire through most of evengelicalism. -
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I am just normal /k/orean :verified: (justnormalkorean@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:34 JST
I am just normal /k/orean :verified:
@DoubleD >racemixing is okay if they are saved
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Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:34 JST
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@justnormalkorean @DoubleD There are other reasons as well but #1 is dispensationalism. -
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DoubleD (doubled@merovingian.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:29:35 JST 
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@justnormalkorean Please elaborate. I think I understand, but I can't be sure.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2024 10:41:33 JST 
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@bobbala @DoubleD @zeke @Escoffier @KingOfWhiteAmerica @justnormalkorean What's a White standard about this? John 3:16 says "WHOSOEVER BELIEVES" and they're no asterisk specifying White or "except Jews, they're already good". Matthew 28:19-20 says ALL NATIONS (ethnicities or peoples to be more correct due to linguistic changes in the current age) and similarly is missing an asterisk. Etc. ETCETERA all over the place. -
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Ash Kvetchum (ash_kvetchum@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 07:16:34 JST 
Ash Kvetchum
Putting on my akshually hat, fellas.
Few will read; most will laugh. So it is.
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This will be long (a two-parter) because I'm addressing the points of the no-man’s-land thread above.
If nothing else, I hope you're entertained.
If you do read through it, you'll see a cool connection regarding the Tower of Babel in scripture I don’t see or hear mentioned often (hardly ever).
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Matthew 28:19-20 (the Great Commission to go out and give the gospel to all of the nations) says "to all of *the* nations." Some English translations keep the definite article; some drop it, saying "all nations."
"The" nations is a distinction made in both the NT and OT.
After the Flood, Noah and his sons (and their sons and so on) fill out into nations. Those are *the nations.*
Genesis 10:32
>These are the families of the sons of Noah, by their births, in their nations, and by these have **the nations** been parted in the earth after the deluge.
Many Christians stumble to explain--and this is a criticism many atheists throw under uncertain, ungrounded Christian heels--why it is that God gives two different instructions to the Israelites conquering Canaan, in regard to how they should handle nations they encounter. Of some nations, he tells the Israelites that their women and herds are permitted to be incorporated. Of other nations, he says that none shall live--that all (even their herds) are to be slain.
The distinguishing line is whether a nation is of the Genesis 10 list of "the nations." It's truly that easy.
Something important to note of the Genesis 10 list of nations: The nations listed are curiously comprising only a single race. They are real nations listed--comprising and descending from a real ethnicity.
Evangelicals and dispensationalists must explain how other races came to be, after the Flood, if the Flood was global.
Or we can stand firm, apart from evangelical and dispensationalist uncertain footing, and we can know that the Flood did not kill all nations (i.e. was not global) and was intended only for the descendants of Adam and where they dwelled, as Genesis 6 states. This would align with the very real flood that did occur around 3100 BC in the area where Whites were, as scripture would have the timeline.
>This is just the OT. What about the NT?
Let me continue with one more OT relevant thread:
Abraham was promised that his seed would become many nations.
When does this happen in the OT? (Hint: It does happen in the OT, not in the NT.) His seed by Ishmael becomes a few nations, sure, and his seed by Isaac (along which the Abrahamic covenant follows) becomes the Israelites, and these become two nations: Ephraim and Judah, also called the Northern and Southern kingdoms.
The Northern and Southern kingdoms fall, and the Israelites are scattered among *the nations* by the time of Nehemiah and Ezra, as God had said he would do with the seed of Israel (many times, Hosea, Amos, Micah, Jeremiah... ). God, however, promised He would bring a remnant of the seed back to the land promised to them. (That's exactly what happens in Nehemiah and Ezra.)
Again and again, throughout the OT, God proclaims to the Israelites He will resolve them into one nation again and establish a covenant with them they cannot break, despite being an unfaithful Bride.
>NT time
Joseph and Mary take Jesus to the second temple after His circumcision. An elderly man, an Israelite named Simeon, is there "looking for the consolation of Israel." He has been told that he will not die before he has seen the Christ. Upon seeing Jesus, he hugs Him, proclaiming Him to be "a light for the revelation of *the nations* and the glory of Your people Israel."
The nations promised to Abraham (*the nations*, where the seed of Israel have been scattered through the last hundreds of years / pages of scripture, *the nations* of which God has repeatedly in the OT said that the Israelites will inherit, where they, now scattered, have been having babies with *the nations*, thus *the nations* fill into Israelites) will be revealed and reconciled by Christ. Paul, in particular, a man raised in education, will be His apostle to *the nations*. Paul will write to them regarding their being the Israelites, to whom belong the covenants. *The nations* where the seed of Israel were scattered receive the good news of God's new covenant (as was promised to the Israelites). Israel is--the Israelites are--one again, no longer shamed / having branches fall off by the law. Even those Israelites that dispersed before the law was given at Sinai to the Israelites (i.e. wild olive trees as opposed to the cultivated olive tree) are grafted in.
This needs a Part 2 to show where in the NT these Genesis 10 nations, *the nations*, are listed again as being "all of the nations of those under heaven."BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 09:06:38 JST
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@tyler @Ash_Kvetchum @DoubleD @bobbala @zeke @BowsacNoodle @Escoffier @justnormalkorean > a global flood... over all the earth
This is the Traditional Christian understanding - and is therefore *my* view.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 09:06:39 JST 
Tyler
I don't know exactly where these other nations came from (some have speculated that Noah's 3 children ended up being the main 3 races - I don't know exactly, we will find out when we can ask God himself) but isn't Genesis 7 exceedingly clear that it was a global flood... over all the earth, all flesh died, everything under the whole heaven, and only Noah and those in the ark survived? -
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Ash Kvetchum (ash_kvetchum@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 09:06:59 JST
Ash Kvetchum
Let's say you are telling me about the 2020 election and the voters involved, and you say that all of the states had their numbers manipulated. You would be truthful to say that of all of the states*
*of the US, which is the scope of your subject.
Other states--the federal states within Argentina, Germany, Russia, whatever--are not the subject of what you've said and so are not referenced within the scope. Yet you've used the word 'all', and you've done so truthfully, soundly. It would be me changing your scope if I demanded every use of 'all' be global, never allowing you to remain in the context you begin a story with.
If I'm talking about a people (the descendants of Adam, as the recounting of Noah begins) and I say "all of the land" (their land), that is a true statement. "The mountains were covered." The statement still remains true. "All of the flesh and plant life of the land died." Still remains true.
Other land--the land where others live--is not in the scope.
The word is not 'Earth' in scripture; it is 'earth'--'land', 'ground'--and specifically the land of the people in the scope, the people discussed by the same text.
The point of the Flood was to chastise His children, to start over, to cut off the branches that were touching the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Where there is no law, there is no sin accounted. The law given by God to Adam and his descendants was to be fruitful and multiply and to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil--that is, to not have relations with angels. It is for sin--a transgression of God's commandments--that death is resultant and even dealt immediately as punishment. Once more, sin is not accounted where no law has been given. At this point, God has commanded only to be fruitful and multiply and to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The Flood story begins with that commandment being once again transgressed--it not being an offhanded interjection that the descendants of Adam are mixing with angels. The explanation for why Noah was chosen given by scripture is that he was not only righteous but perfect in his generations (i.e. not an offspring of this unlawful combining). Importantly, he was priest of the descendants of Adam, being the eighth to be so, the eighth priest, after the order of Melchizedek (oldest living father by the line of eldest sons living, passing from father to son, upon the death of the father).
Transgression of this same commandment is the moment when Sodom and Gomorrah, of whom "their iniquity was not yet full" before, suddenly have their iniquity full. It is when they try to have sexual relations with angels, pressing on the door to rape them, that death is dealt--punishment for the transgression of the same commandment.
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It is a bad argument for someone to claim they lean on "the Traditional Christian understanding." Place yourself on a dart and throw it at the timeline during the OT, and imagine leaning on "the Traditional Israelite understanding" during anytime time during the OT, let alone during the exceptional time of the NT.
Traditionally, we are awful at tradition.
Our faithfulness / skill is no different now.
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I know the following wasn't shared as a "I will die on this hill" view and more offered as a view that's heard, but it is still worth addressing:
Were Noah's sons to have married women of different races, we would run into two major problems to use that as an explanation.
>There are more races than sons
>The families of those sons became nations that scripture names in Genesis 10. These are real nations, and these real nations had a real, historical ethnicity.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Ash Kvetchum (ash_kvetchum@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 09:07:05 JST
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I'll be off of here for tonight soon--playing vidya games with a friend, been talking with him about the world, getting him to see iTs ThE jOoS and to not be so jaded about church. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 09:11:43 JST
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@Ash_Kvetchum @DoubleD @bobbala @tyler @zeke @Escoffier @KingOfWhiteAmerica @justnormalkorean I do appreciate the insight on this, truly. The end point still ends up in about the same place to me—there's a ton of people and they're possibly mixed in to every race in varying levels throughout the world. And still we have Revelation 7:9 being fairly explicit about every nation, tribe, people, and tongue. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 09:19:33 JST
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@Bunsen @tyler @Ash_Kvetchum @DoubleD @bobbala @zeke @Escoffier @KingOfWhiteAmerica @justnormalkorean feel free to keep the party going friend. multi day heaven threads and religious hellthread are a common enough thing. -
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Bunsen :not_the_confederate_flag: (bunsen@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 09:19:34 JST 
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@tyler @Ash_Kvetchum @DoubleD @bobbala @zeke @BowsacNoodle @Escoffier @KingOfWhiteAmerica @justnormalkorean An interesting conversation. Shame that I missed it. -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 09:19:35 JST
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I'm not going to die on this hill either, and will find out in heaven I guess.
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