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   Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:09:23 JST Fish of Rage
   I don't think people that make and sell games should be legally compelled to release their games and game servers after they become economically unviable. instead they should be compelled to truthfully and clearly indicate that the product you're buying will stop working someday.
   
   and some minority faction of game makers should make games to serve the "I want to play this game forever using a self hosted private server" market.
   
   also maybe in general there should be a better understanding that games aren't art they are a business, if they were really in the art business they would care about art preservation and do all those things like keep the game playable after they shut down their servers, but they don't.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:10:46 JST feld

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     @sun every DLC purchase, expansion pack, etc should come with a big warning before purchase that you will no longer be able to access it once the service shuts down
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:12:03 JST Phantasm

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     @sun Ideally I would want dedicated servers that come with the game install back. Forcing the companies to open-source the servers is stupid.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:13:45 JST lainy

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     @sun so you're saying there should be a museum for big tiddy anime girl gacha games
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:15:16 JST Fish of Rage

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     another aspect of this is, when is a game really economically unviable?
     
     "abandonware" was justified on the premise that a game company wasn't making money on the game anymore so it's okay to pirate it. At the same time people kept saying, if I could actually just buy this old NES game, I would." Now we know for a fact, if decades after a game stopped selling you make it super easy to download and pay only 4 dollars for it, people will still enthusiastically buy and play NES games. Did the game actually ever become "economically unviable?" No, people were just waiting for the game company to sell it at the right price.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:16:50 JST feld

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     @sun
     
     “WARNING: Purchasing this product can expose you to disappointment, which is known to the State of California to cause regret when the company ceases to exist.”
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     Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?) (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:17:44 JST Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)

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     @phnt @sun they fucking arent though. Ross has many times reiterated they dont need to open source the server software, just publish it so other people can host their own. and publishers dont have to do this until they decide to stop hosting it themselves.
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     Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?) (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:18:29 JST Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)

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     @sun they already do jam it in the EULA in lawyerese. this wouldnt help anything, impact game purchases, increase communication to consumers, or do anything meaningful.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:18:29 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)
     @why also the truth is the number of people that won't buy a game because you can't self-host the server is economically negligible
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:22:37 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @sun In fact I think Nintendo proved that with the Virtual Arcade thing.
     Plus you know… the ton of remakes and ports, which do take dev time.
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     Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?) (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:22:54 JST Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)

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     @sun thats why it needs to be a law and not some silly boycott.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:24:52 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)
     @why @sun Specially as boycott doesn't really happens against things with so much advertisements (including sponsored videos) and network effect.
     You'd pretty much need something universally nasty to happen.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:25:01 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)
     @why right now I consider it "nice to have" not a legal requirement but I'm not settled on that.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:27:54 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)
     @sun @why That said an incentive to release game server software is the ability to milk it via managed hosting, either directly as part of commercial license (where then players could get more restrictive lan versions) or via support contracts.
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     Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?) (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:29:11 JST Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)

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     @sun games, especially singleplayer games, make 99.9999999% of their sales in the first weekend. its technically "economically unviable" at that point. remember nintendo made Mario 3D All-Stars available for like 6 months before pulling it ON PURPOSE and PREMEDITATED. I'm sure if they could get away with it, EA would put a big budget game up for sale for 72 hours only. this is already normal in the fashion industry
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:30:58 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)
     @why its a bigger deal when your game relies on your own network infrastructure for some or all of its functionality, and an online marketplace that has to be run. you might not want to drop the price to 4 dollars if the player costs you x dollars a month in server costs.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:31:15 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @lain @sun "ART!"
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:31:15 JST iced depresso

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     • mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
     @mangeurdenuage @lain @sun wtf
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:37:01 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @sun It becomes somewhat of a problem now that everything multiplayer is fucking part live service so they're now not beholden to anything, no more self-server hosting, no more custom sprays, no more fucking anything that made these games fun
     
     Oh, and the only reason people played Warcraft 3? The map mods? Well in the new version if you make a mod it's owned by Activision Blizzard now :)))))))))))
     
     I'm going to go ahead and go "fuck you, no, you release the source you pieces of shit"
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:37:01 JST Fish of Rage

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     @coolboymew Ive been posting about this yeah, they build games this way to soak you its not actually a technical requirement
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:38:31 JST iced depresso

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     • Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)
     @mangeurdenuage @phnt @sun @why kagi wasn't summarizing the videos for this debacle so idk
     
     i'm in support of mandatory protocol docs. i don't think i would want to compel more than that, but you would have to provide the asn.1 spec.
     
     (this is an opinion i've mostly formed wrt. all the shit that outsources controls to phone apps and has no genuine need to be proprietary in the first place)
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:38:32 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     • Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)
     @why @phnt @sun
     >Ross has many times
     Ross doesn't see the long term negative effect of this.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:39:16 JST Fish of Rage

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     @coolboymew you do get some good things like global leaderboards you wouldn't get with self hosted servers but
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:39:20 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     >when is a game really economically unviable?
     when is a product really economically unviable?
     When it's a digital product it's economically enviable when you aren't in high trust society.
     When people are so demoralized by the commercial practices of not owning and being abused that they consider it moral to damage the company that produces the content. Thus creating a self repeating loop of passive violence.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:39:20 JST lainy

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     @mangeurdenuage @sun point is copyright doesn't make sense
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:42:13 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @sun The esport crap, ladders and etc has been a mistake and that enters the live service crap and is pretty much the reason why we stopped having self hosting tools
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:43:16 JST iced depresso

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     @coolboymew @sun live service is just early access for koreans :blobcatgooglybadumtss:
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:48:09 JST Fish of Rage

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     @weeble @coolboymew some of the people working on some games are trying to make art but the industry doesnt actually consider it art, they just call it art because it elevates the status of the industry so they don't feel ashamed for making diversions for children. if it were considered art by the people that sell it they would care about preserving the games after they are no longer selling them but they don't.
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     Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿 (weeble@fedi.bungle.online)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:48:10 JST Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿

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     @coolboymew@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world I think games should be considered art and there should be ways to preserve them. You have that flashpoint thing to preserve flash games.
     
     I think forcing a company to host servers could bring issues but definitely there should be a system in place were at the end of a game's life it can be emulated and have private servers.
     
     Like some massive game archive.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:58:43 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @weeble @coolboymew I'm not saying it's literally not art. I think it is art. I am saying that we wouldn't have to beg for this (and receive aggressive pushback) if game companies also actually thought it was art rather than just a product like soap.
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     Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿 (weeble@fedi.bungle.online)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 03:58:45 JST Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿

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     @sun@shitposter.world @coolboymew@shitposter.world You're saying it's not art because the artist has to sell the rights or compromise on their work to make money.
     
     This isn't something new nor exclusive to gaming. It doesn't stop being art just a shitty company holds the distribution rights hostage.
     
     And I think arguing it isn't does a disservice to the goal of games being preserved and playable.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:03:22 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @weeble @coolboymew I admit I was being an asshole with the diversions for children slam but this is more about what I think game companies think about themselves
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     Tinosoft :verified: :cgss_anzu: (tinosoft@miniwa.moe)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:03:49 JST Tinosoft :verified: :cgss_anzu:

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     @lain @sun like Project Sekai Game when made that game and events available for all people before the shutting down or like Tibia Cipsoft Game when you have the power to make a personal server of this game or playing like premium in their servers (or suffering the limited free mode).
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:15:57 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @weeble @coolboymew to be very clear I am not saying that it isn't art because money touched it.
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     Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿 (weeble@fedi.bungle.online)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:15:59 JST Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿

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     @sun@shitposter.world @coolboymew@shitposter.world They only preserve the big ones that make money and because it's easier to archive film that will eventually pay for itself in physical release sales.
     
     They don't do it because film is more respected as art.
     
     They same shit happens with movies and shows. I can name a bunch of shows and movies that are locked up where the only way to view them is piracy or paying for 4 diff streaming services (If you're lucky). All because they lost money or copyright clusterfucks.
     
     Even the situation right now with TV and streaming is dire as you have all these worker strikes and reboots everywhere.
     
     The starving artist trope is real and it's impossible to have a stable business without sucking cock and selling your soul.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:29:11 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @weeble @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage I think hentai commissions can be art. what I think gets it further away from art and more toward just being a product is when the entire creation process is being driven by a spreadsheet
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     @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world @coolboymew@shitposter.world Artists need to pay for food.
     
     Sometimes you need to slop (hentai commissions and freelancing at disney) to gem (funding your indie animeation and comic)

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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:29:13 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @sun @weeble @coolboymew Soul vs soulless content.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:33:07 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @mangeurdenuage @coolboymew @weeble there are companies that make movies where their entire business model is trick you into renting it before you realize you made a mistake and the majority of the money spent on production is building up the trick and a tiny bit on fulfilling the technical obligation of having a "movie"
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:33:08 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @sun @weeble @coolboymew
     > by a spreadsheet
     True.
     Or some predictive model of what makes people tic.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:34:56 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @weeble @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage ok I was thinking of commission in general rather than commmissions for the intent of raising capital or putting food on the table. I understand what you mean now
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     @sun@shitposter.world @coolboymew@shitposter.world @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world It's slop of the highest order because it is porn literally made for consumption rather than the expression of an artist.
     
     The slop to gem ratio is based on how much the artist had to curb their vision for the sake of money.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:45:59 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @weeble @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage asI mentioned in another post there are businesses that function as an agent where they find a creative person and fund them to create an artistic work and then sell that work, the better the art the more money they make. you still have to make compromises but it is absolutely a creative artistic endeavor.
     
     other places just have a formula based on whats in their movies that make more money and what are the corners that can be cut before people tell their friends not to see it and they make their product based on that.
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     @sun@shitposter.world @coolboymew@shitposter.world @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world That's the same thing.
     
     Regardless of if they're a starving artist funding their project or just milking paypigs it's still intentionally making something for money and not an honest expression of an artist.
     
     So yes it's more soulless then something you created on your own whim.

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     Arkana (arkana@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:48:22 JST Arkana

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     @sun Nintendo already showed this with the Wii virtual console. They sold so many games for like $5 and I did end up buying a bunch of them on there. Unfortunately they didn't carry it forward and are now just trying the subscription thing instead
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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:48:25 JST xianc78

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     @sun I think more people should start packet analyzing games while the game is still live instead of waiting until the last minute. I feel like people don't start packet analyzing until it is almost too late. Case in point, the Nintendo Wi-Fi games weren't analyzed until mere months before the servers shut down.

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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 04:49:13 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @sun @weeble @coolboymew
     >so they don't feel ashamed for making diversions for children
     You're telling me that all this time I have been watching and experiencing/interfacing entertainment tools designed by adults for children ?!!
     I'm going back to watch anime :akkoDerp:
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 05:03:16 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @sun @weeble @coolboymew I could see this for like Candy Crush and other bunch of mobile games slop which are more tool/toys than art (kind of like fidget spinners). But then it got me thinking about gacha games which are very much products yet have taken pixiv/boorus by storm and they effectively work by having gambling-based prices on more traditional art. (Also Blue Archive somehow even got an anime adaptation)
     For those I feel like it would be kind of meh to loose the source and yet… I feel like it's bound to happen.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 05:11:32 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @coolboymew @weeble @sun Yeah, that said I guess it could work with like… ability to export your waifus either a bit before the game closes down or afterwards.
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 05:11:33 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @lanodan @weeble @sun With gacha we reach a whole new level of live service weirdness because it literally does not work without the very artificial gambling that stops you from getting everything
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 05:15:20 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @lanodan @weeble @sun Some games did manage to do that, but then the problem becomes that the game hackers has no ability to fuck around the banners (Puchiguru and SIFAS) and make new events so it's a forever stalemate
     
     At LEAST SIF1 and SIF2 has gameplay that works outside of the gacha shit. Well, so does Puchiguru I guess even if it's not great
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