Conversation
Notices
-
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 06:52:25 JST Sick Sun I understand the diversity argument "but the food" lol but you don't actually have to accept "well it's the big city u just accept u will get robbed or have your life threatened sometimes if u want benefits like good food" - kaia, on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ and Fediverse Contractor like this.
-
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 06:55:35 JST Sick Sun I was thinking about this around midnight last night as I safely walked 1km through the city to my hotel from the immaculately clean train station. kaia and on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ like this. -
Embed this notice
on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 06:56:51 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @sun people in the west thing that insane drug addicts are just a normal product of train stations, just like the ancients thought that mice are spawned from grains. kaia likes this. -
Embed this notice
Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 06:57:01 JST Hyolobrika @sun Joe Biden, is that you? kaia likes this. -
Embed this notice
kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 06:59:13 JST kaia @sun I don't think it's racial diversity though. it's diversity of interests and a missing accountability / shame culture in the west. -
Embed this notice
on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 07:00:59 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @kaia @sun I think that’s the point, there’s no problem with having foreigners in a country, the problems start when you accept that they misbehave because that’s just how things are kaia likes this. -
Embed this notice
『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 07:02:49 JST 『VRISKA』 @kaia @sun this is why great lakes big cities are the tolerable ones here, the midwest is Very Very Good at "be polite above all else even if youre lying through your teeth and everyone knows it"
I feel safer walking around Chicago or Detroit alone for that reason than I do even in relatively "safe" cities in other parts of the country
couldnt pay me to exist outdoors in california alone at night
kaia likes this. -
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 07:03:22 JST Sick Sun @vriska @kaia I don't have experience with Detroit but I have been in unsafe areas in Chicago and I would still have some apprehension in places after dark. kaia likes this. -
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 07:05:15 JST Sick Sun @lain @kaia I can't see parent post for some reason lol
Yeah Dubai is clean and nice and it has massive diversity. But the idea of having a Salvadoran gang problem there is unthinkable.on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
Embed this notice
on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 07:07:10 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @sun @kaia japan and Korea are clean and safe too, Singapore and Hongkong too. And you can get diverse food there as well. -
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 07:07:19 JST Sick Sun @vriska @kaia what is depressing is that it's not like you can just fix these problems with more policihng or something because it's all downstream of dozens of other problems -
Embed this notice
『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 07:07:21 JST 『VRISKA』 @sun @kaia the thing with chicago is that if you stay out of like, 2 or 3 specific areas you are gonna be okay like 99% of the time
just gotta steer clear of the heroin strip and the old projects
detroit is definitely more on the Scary Side to me but I feel infinitely safer there than Ive felt even in places like Louisville
-
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:20:14 JST Sick Sun @kaia a lot of things are done in the usa to remove accountability to facilitate the social changes and diversity undermines social cohesion unless you have a strong top-down repression. so it kind of gets back to, if you forced rules on people it wouldn't serve power anymore and they wouldn't find the desire to import them. so they are related imo. in that sense immigration isn't the first cause of problems but it is related.
I don't know how you get back high trust.on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:07 JST Sick Sun @lain @feld @leyonhjelm @kaia I just want one extreme or another. either let a flood of immigrants in but don't make me pay for it in any way or use the government to promote a cohesive, working, high-trust society that is selective about who it lets in. on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
Embed this notice
on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:08 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @leyonhjelm @feld @kaia @sun I think the government definition of “illegal” is completely invalid. If I went to the, didn’t change my source of income and just lived with a friend, I’d be an illegal alien. -
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:09 JST Sick Sun @feld @kaia @lain you absolutely deserve special consideration if you've been here longer (this includes immigrants from previous generations.) first of all there's no obligation for people here already to take in more unless they want to and historically people in america have always opposed certain levels of it if actually asked. second is that it's the equivalent of share dilution in a company.
I agree that assimilation only happens with time but if your rate of influx is high then people just stop assimilating. -
Embed this notice
ランファン (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:09 JST ランファン @sun
I used to be sympathetic to legal immigration and accepting of immigrants on the presumption that they were legal. Now I see all immigrants as criminals who shouldn’t be here thanks to years of having illegal immigration rubbed in my face as virtuous and vital.
@feld @kaia @lain -
Embed this notice
feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:10 JST feld @sun @kaia @lain
TL;DR
"they need to assimilate"
yeah but nobody ever has, really, until they're a couple generations in 😭 -
Embed this notice
feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:11 JST feld @sun @kaia @lain that's true, but I don't believe just because you've been here longer you automatically deserve special treatment.
your first point:
> 1. it is not managed by adults thinking about the benefit of people already here
I just don't buy it. Not as reasoning for any type of immigration policy, anyway.
Do the people of Minneapolis have to deal with a lot of cultural stressors from the huge group of Somali immigrants? Certainly. Do the long established residents deserve any special treatment or have they been wronged by this? Not in a way that could be claimed as damages in court, anyway.
So from a legal perspective I think it's nonsense. From a community planning perspective -- that's a different cup of otters. If you handle it wrong you're going to end up with friction that may even escalate to violence. But people really need to get over themselves about this. (not going to happen; they'll just be pissy and vote against immigration)
Really it's not so different than when the Great Depression caused the "Mass Exodus From the Plains" of poor rural people to the cities. Did the city folks have to suffer through country folks of all types showing up in their neighborhoods and disrupting their way of life? Absolutely.
So how do you prevent that? It wasn't even an immigration problem. Just thinking about what this was like in the upper midwest knowing the cultural breakdown of areas in Wisconsin and Iowa -- Milwaukee/Chicago would have been flooded with German, Dutch, and Polish. This kind of thing will happen again if the economy crashes hard enough: people will flee to the cities to find work.
And honestly, who wants their community flooded with Pollacks? /s
share your best stupid Polish joke:
Why does a Polish race track driver make eight pit stops? Two for gas, six for directions. -
Embed this notice
feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:12 JST feld @sun @kaia @lain assimilation is the antithesis of the concept of America being a "melting pot" of cultures, though. -
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:12 JST Sick Sun @feld @kaia @lain assimilation goes both ways, basically what I mean is we used to say melting pot but now people say "salad bowl not melting pot" where there are chunks of your country that are just alien. -
Embed this notice
on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:14 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @pernia @kaia @sun I don’t care so much about the details, but I don’t believe large geopolitical entities are good for their populations -
Embed this notice
þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:15 JST þernia @lain @kaia @sun u mean states should stay a certain size population wise, or territorially too? -
Embed this notice
on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:16 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @pernia @kaia @sun I don’t think so. -
Embed this notice
þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:17 JST þernia @lain @kaia @sun but they couldnt all be like hk and singapore, considering they depend on big states for a lot of stuff -
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:18 JST Sick Sun @lain @kaia a significant factor in my intense dislike for "diversity" in the USA is that 1. it is not managed by adults thinking about the benefit of people already here and 2. we got bait-and-switched from the original idea which was assimilation was important. -
Embed this notice
on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:18 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @pernia @kaia @sun yes, I think so. States are too big. -
Embed this notice
þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:19 JST þernia @lain @kaia @sun u think this could be applied universally though? those are basically city states and financial capitals. Singapore/HK has to import all their food (afaik). -
Embed this notice
on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:20 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @pernia @kaia @sun I see a lot of commonality -
Embed this notice
þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:21 JST þernia @lain @kaia @sun those seem quite exceptional countries, in their own unique yet similar ways -
Embed this notice
on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:22 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @pernia @kaia @sun Hong Kong, Singapore, uae states, Liechtenstein… -
Embed this notice
on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:24 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @sun @kaia I think states are just too big, at the time of the first american revolution, the whole population was about 2 million, which seems to be the sweet spot in modern countries as well -
Embed this notice
þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:24:24 JST þernia @lain @kaia @sun like what other countried r u thinking? -
Embed this notice
on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:28:18 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @pernia @kaia @sun luckily, I don’t run a country and I don’t vote either -
Embed this notice
þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 08:28:19 JST þernia @lain @kaia @sun seems awfully abstract -
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 10:17:32 JST Sick Sun @MMS21 @feld @kaia @lain region and class -
Embed this notice
MMS21 :blobcatkirby: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 10:17:37 JST MMS21 :blobcatkirby: How do you go about being selective about entry with your given example -
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 10:17:38 JST Sick Sun @feld @kaia @lain I don't want to get caught up on wording. I don't mind people from different places and I don't mind them bringing aspects of their culture with them and them retaining aspects of their culture but it should be in the context of being fully integrated into one society, and the society should be strict about what it doesn't want e.g. if you know Pakistani cousin-marriage is a huge problem then you can be strict about who you let in from Pakistan. It's not about national origin, nothing saying no Pakistanis but you can be selective about entry and not import brand-new foreign problems, it's literally that simple. -
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 10:42:16 JST Sick Sun @MMS21 @feld @kaia @lain we don't really have a problem with this in the USA compared to England and my first assumption is because the pipeline in the USA is university student to professional and in the UK it's low skill migrant worker. My concern is not creating a situation like the UK. I should not have singled out Pakistanis for my example as we don't have that problem here and while it appears to be extremely common circumstance in Pakistan it's not everyone and would be unfair to blame everyone. My intent was to say you DON'T have to make blanket bans because of a problem in a country. -
Embed this notice
MMS21 :blobcatkirby: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 10:42:17 JST MMS21 :blobcatkirby: I asked because I’m Pakistani. My grandfather came to the UK on a work visa, he’s originally from a village and dirt poor but 6/8 of his kids have degrees and have very successful careers. Without going into detail, 3 are exceptionally successful (eg. doctors). Making your decision based on region and class is a bad indicator of quality and our family isn’t just an outlier; lots of our family friends have similar backgrounds. imo they should use work visas to sift out good and bad candidates, those people should have a history of working and securing a job in another country further shows their willingness to work and contribute to society. on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ likes this. -
Embed this notice
Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 10:49:34 JST Fediverse Contractor Yeah letting all of the smart ppl leave a shithole country can't have any repercussions at all. It's not like they smell weird or anything. -
Embed this notice
Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 10:55:24 JST Sick Sun @MMS21 @feld @kaia @lain i think it was my fault for picking the example I did.
> What’s that situation?
consanguinous marriage indicating very high levels of incest, 50 or 60 percent of british pakistanis in some places. -
Embed this notice
MMS21 :blobcatkirby: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 10:55:25 JST MMS21 :blobcatkirby: My own example is from the late 1960s where this country actually had a functioning industrial sector and needed people like my grandfather, today it’s rarely factory workers. Tons of people come in on exceptionally talented (basically in demand jobs like engineers) and education visas nowadays like the USA.
Fair enough I may have misunderstood you it was a nuanced point or maybe I’m blind.
>My concern is not creating a situation like the UK
What’s that situation? -
Embed this notice
Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 10:57:13 JST Fediverse Contractor Pakistanis should stay in pakistan so they can continue to develop their culture! :blobcatthumbsup: -
Embed this notice
Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 11:04:57 JST Fediverse Contractor Why are you leeching off the foundation white ppl built rather than accomplishing this on your own? I think I know why.. -
Embed this notice
MMS21 :blobcatkirby: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 11:04:59 JST MMS21 :blobcatkirby: Just caught my self mid way through a reply and remembered that I’m speaking to a complete retard. You have the same equipment as me but you’re still a fucking BUM, why’s that? Why is it that I live in a £1M+ home and all the cracker honkey in this country just work at Tescos, get tattooed and pissed on the weekends? ffs they have had the home advantage for multiple generations and got lapped by Pakis in just 2 generations, why’s that? -
Embed this notice
Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 11:11:09 JST Fediverse Contractor "Having "s*x" with your family is due to our culture" -
Embed this notice
MMS21 :blobcatkirby: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 11:11:11 JST MMS21 :blobcatkirby: Yeah that’s a real problem and due to culture. People think that they can’t go against their parents and are completely unaware that forced marriages are a sin in Islam and you don’t have to obey your parents decision. Indians don’t actually have that problem despite being neighbours and similar to us. We’ve even copied their marriage culture completely except that one bit weirdly enough. For the record I’m against cousin marriages and wouldn’t even go to that kind of wedding if I knew 😂 -
Embed this notice
Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 11:15:40 JST Fediverse Contractor Feld blocked me for criticising his support for drag queen chomo hour, you guys probably share a similar interest in children. -
Embed this notice
MMS21 :blobcatkirby: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 11:15:41 JST MMS21 :blobcatkirby: I was responding to Bot not Sun. She’s a retard that has the same, if not better opportunities than me yet remains a fucking bum. She doesn’t even live here and her entire perception on everything is shaped by the jew media yet thinks she has any authority to tell me what the score is. Unlike her I interact with the swamp goblins on this rainy little island daily so she should take my word as absolute gospel. -
Embed this notice
feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 11:15:42 JST feld @MMS21 You're reading into it too much, he's chill -
Embed this notice
Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 11:21:47 JST Fediverse Contractor Any muslim accomplishments are likely due to incest (rape) that resulted in inbred autism. -
Embed this notice
MMS21 :blobcatkirby: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 11:21:48 JST MMS21 :blobcatkirby: Why are you leeching off the foundation of Muslims rather than accomplishing this on your own? I think I know why.. you’re a lazy bum like the rest of your people. -
Embed this notice
Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 11:29:42 JST Fediverse Contractor Oh right, "ppl" that live in filth to this day are the origin of basis maths. -
Embed this notice
MMS21 :blobcatkirby: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 11:29:45 JST MMS21 :blobcatkirby: Algebra is synonymous with rape, you could say that.