@matty@reloadedAK@transgrammaractivist@sickburnbro I've asked natsocs to sell me on national socialism. None of them can explain the merits of that system of governance to me, and will instead indulge in histrionics that would embarrass a mohammedean. It's an icon, simple as.
Although I am concerned with people seeing Hitler as a spiritual icon in some circumstances, it is quite telling that if these words are true, most National Socialist pagans have never read a single thing Hitler has said. I would be remiss if I didn't say that National Socialism has become more of a religious dogma than a system of governance. I think Adolf Hitler was an excellent leader with NS Germany having the absolute most cracked out drip imaginable, but America will never be NS Germany. We may build a form of it, if "we" win, but I think at the moment the imperative should be to get everyone on the same page.
Yes it's the concept of having the comraderie I think that draws people in. Unfortunately, they lack the people skills to enjoy those benefits. I don't know. I just hope that populism will lead to that, or a similar system of governance but there is no way around it anymore. We can only go through.
@matty@Myles@transgrammaractivist@sickburnbro It's because they saw what Germany became and thought "I want that" and think they can do the exact same thing Germany did to get there. They like the aesthetics and camaraderie and didn't think much past that other than the copy/paste method
Come to think of it I don't recall speaking to any NS individuals that could accurately state why they believe what they do other than "jews bad". Hmm.
I do not think it's so black and White but yes, I agree that many self professed national socialists have no idea how to talk to people or convey a point but that's why I like Patriot Front. The message is simple, gets the point across and is constructive. Granted they are not national socialists as far as I know, but I think their activism is a whole lot more impactful than screaming the nigger word at 12 year olds on Omegle.
@Myles@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK It's extremely tough out there. It's why I mention Bowling Alone frequently. People don't have any community as a positive outlet for things, all they can do is sit at home and consume some sort of media.
I cannot stand that. Let's please try to learn how to talk about something other than jews. White nationalism should be fun and entertaining to draw people in. Who wants to sit there and be blackpilled all day long
@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro Exactly. People get so obsessed over things they can't control, they lose their minds. I got emails on my old show from people who were driving themselves to suicide over jews
@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro Ethnic homogeneity is the one thing they actually can articulate, go figure. Funnily enough, Wyndham Lewis remarked that all the natsocs he talked to in the 30's would inevitably steer any conversation they were in to the JQ.
@internetfreak@matty@Myles@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK I have had the one humane take on this question that makes people made: "we will remove people that are here illegally first, then in reverse order of arrival until this is a nice place"
@matty@Myles@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro Their message is vague and unclear. Also marching around changing vague slogans masked up is just fucking weird. Plus covering up free Palestine stuff only conveys the message that you're a janny for zionism. Yeah yeah they're against foreign aid but that's incongruent with reality. Tommy had a recent interview with some brownoid who pressed him about whether he can stay in the country because he is successful, Tommy cucked.
While different in appearance at the core it's just consevativism with a 15 dollar word salad and regular fed jacketing from the people they are trying to appeal to.
Never got the omegle shit I can agree there. Never considered it activism. Entertainment perhaps but definitely not activism.
@internetfreak@matty@Myles@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK the reason for simple order of arrival is that way you don't need to guess if someone came to loot your country or contribute. If they came to contribute, they can simply reapply and we can apologize for the wait.
The rules for who can be let in can be subject to debate.
At no point did I say we should ignore the jew. He should be named when it's necessary. But there's a difference between naming the jew and obsessing over the jew, and letting the jew sit at the forefront of your consciousness for every waking moment of the day.
@Myles@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro But OFC it would, Weimerica was mostly White at the time (and segregated) so it wasn't as much of a sticking point, though Ethnats still fortunately existed. The JQ is a highly relevant point to say the least.
All I'm saying is that talking about the jews can't be the ONLY thing we do. The mask is already off. More and more people are understanding that we are right. Last thing we need to do is push them away by having our heads so far up our own asses that we can't see the writing on the wall.
@reloadedAK@Sandstar@transgrammaractivist@matty@Myles@sickburnbro He was saying Hitler was a Catholic, so was assuming that's what he was going with, the issue with Protesantism is the inverse, that being doctrinal infighting, Hitler was able to reign that in, but it's an issue that needs to be solved (my view is a secular state, that allows all (White) religions to practice, and tries to stop religious infighting from tearing us asunder, weather interdoctrinal, or inter-faith.)
hitler was catholic, church and state will be together in a new ns country. the pagpagans and fedora tippers will need to make some choices or face expulsion.
I don't think that's necessary either. But I am not the purity spiral type. To each his own, so long as they fall within reasonable bounds. Man is too corruptible. Everyone has a price.
Well you're not gonna be getting rid of the niggers or the spics (illegals can be deported) and you need as much popular support as you can get. I don't care for troons or fags, they can deal with it and I have no intention on bridging any divide with them, but the fact of the matter is we are far too fragmented and disorganized to rely solely on White identitarianism to propel us forward. There will be no event that gives all the White people laser eyes and Hugo Boss wardrobe overnight. You must win people's hearts and minds.
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If the USA kept wages par for inflation and curbed the excesses of the (((big nose society))), they could keep this ship floating for another 50 or so years at least
Staying the course as it were will lead to certain destruction. At least if we try something else while maintaining fundamentals, we'll be better off. NS Germany didn't take off overnight, and neither will NS America. It took years of people being beat down by the government and most importantly it took people taking risks and throwing themselves on the sword, so to speak, to get things moving. This idea that we can just be stagnant and everything will work itself out is poison.
@matty@transgrammaractivist@Myles@reloadedAK@sickburnbro We tried that back in 2015-2016 with the alt right, it failed horribly, our views are right and just, and stand on their own. I'm stubborn about this as combined my natural tendencies lol, I view faltering as opening ourselves up to be led astray, as what happened with Zion-Don or the 100s of other fake right leaders, We need to stay the course as it were.
@matty@transgrammaractivist@Myles@reloadedAK@sickburnbro This just sounds like retarded populism, troons and fags are the foe, same as niggers and to a slightly lesser degree spics. I'd be more then willing to Balkanize if my lands can be for us only.
I didn't disagree with you, I just put it in a way that is more digestible to people who are sick and tired, yet aren't all in on the same beliefs we tangentially have. Balkanization would require trade. Will you trade with blacks and hispanics? I don't think it's unreasonable on paper but in practice, you can't just tell some people to go over there and others to go somewhere else while you bring everyone to one particular area. It would be a logistical nightmare.
@sickburnbro@matty@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@transgrammaractivist@Myles@reloadedAK aside from that, there is the idea that maybe, the contemporary conception of "by the people" and that power should somehow come from the lower classes is retarded (why i posted revolt aganist the modern world wich directly contests this idea) and that no, if niggers are the problem, you remove the problem, any solution that comes down to integrating niggers (the problem) is in essence, not a solution at all
in my opinion, the problem comes down to the fact that the people who are aganist the sytem in paper, either Are actually not aganist the System and just want to return to how things were 10 years ago, Still trust the System or want to work within the System
and then there´s also the fact that most people just use ideologies to create their own cargo cults and give a semblance of meaning and stability to their lives, virtue signal and get other people to join their cult while berating everyone who is not part of the cult, just look at how everything is political or has a political connotation and how everything has become polarized
in essence, everyone has an agenda, and wants you to be part of and die for, that agenda
personally i only see two solutions to this state of affairs one is completely unviable and the other one involves not really doing anything
@Leinad@matty@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@transgrammaractivist@Myles@reloadedAK in my opinion, what we see is Kyklos - different classes of the people all have limited capacity for ruling - the crown is heavy. The reason you saw the classic cycles is because of degeneration in a group that was doing the task of ruling.
@sickburnbro@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@matty@transgrammaractivist@Myles@reloadedAK if it was up to me i would ideally form my own brand of the Hashashin, form some mountain militia and start engaging in nihilistic violence, political assasinations and targetting the infrastructure in an attempt to ACTUALLY collapse the system as opposed to just playing the political game and "Redpilling the normies" or just LARPing about XYZ ideology
but i am a NEET, i can barely take care of myself and clean my room, so how the fuck am i gonna go about recruiting people (and lets face it, everyone is too hung up to their lives, morals, a sense of normalcy and if any of those things fail, Ideology to really say "Fuck it" and just set the world on fire), getting weapons for a militia in a no fun country, let alone bushcraft, evading and fighting the law, actually knowing how to operate weaponry and or explosives, gathering funds Opsec...
@EvilSandmich@matty@transgrammaractivist@Myles@reloadedAK@sickburnbro OFC there are plenty of hostile Whites, and I've no issue with the occasional Non-White as an ally, Just not sure on the capacity. The problem is that Americanism is a big issue, and needs to be resolved whatever the course with that, embracing it, ala PF is folly.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@matty@transgrammaractivist@Myles@reloadedAK@sickburnbro One philosophical basis I’ve seen has been reclaiming Americanism from the empire. All the iconography, etc. is great, but overcoming the hurdle of convincing people that the current iteration is a poisoned facade is iffy, and then modernizing the philosophy is, well, it’s already failed several times.
The other non-racial societal basis I’ve seen is militant Christianity. In some ways its prospects are better, in other ways, not so much.
@matty@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@transgrammaractivist@Myles@reloadedAK@sickburnbro Not my idea, but an American Boer identity needs to be crafted, one which, and this is the complicating factor, can include people who aren’t White- >BUT- I know, I know, we have our ideal scenario but it is what it is. It’s the nature of where we live as there are lots of non-whites that should be in our tent, and lots of whites that shouldn’t be.
@EvilSandmich@sickburnbro@matty@transgrammaractivist@Myles@reloadedAK The name “America” is fine, it represents the colonial spirit of conquering and taming the land (I’d hate Columbia far more, as it’s a jew, Amerigo wasn’t and he chartered the seas, My complaints about the name is one thing I rescind). My issue is Americanism isn’t really workable IMO, ”At best” we’d skin suit it.
@sickburnbro@EvilSandmich@matty@transgrammaractivist@Myles@reloadedAK Fair, the issue to me comes from most other parts of the ideation are flawed, Men literally raised by kikes (Hamilton) and freemasons who allowed the Haitian revolution shouldn't be vaunted, and neither should "Democracy" "Freedom" "Capitalism" or any other "enlightenment" idea, that's the issue here. I agree 100% the stars are our birthright.
@Myles@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro I meant this, Watch the interview with Thomas Rosseu and that one shit skin, and compare it to Thomas Sewell’s while his interviewer was less hostile, Rosseau refused to argue even obvious shit to do with race when this shit skin kept claim a race of subhumans who shit in the streets and rape anyone they see is our betters. Meanwhile Sewell cut to the chase, Again I don’t actively dislike PF, I’d go as far to say I support them, good to see our guys in the world marching and helping our people, but I disagree with the optics of it all, both the Americanism foucus, and the caring too much about optics.
@Myles@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro Not really, PF can't even bring themselves to say much of anything really. That's my big gripe too much optics cucking (and the MUH AMERICANISM shit isn't to my tastes either). I don't hate them mind, I respect them a good deal, I just disagree with them on certain things.
@sickburnbro@VIcFury@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@Leinad@matty@transgrammaractivist@Myles@reloadedAK I agree with Vic, the most offensive anti-regime thIng you can mention in front of most normies isn’t racism, but the idea that they might be in some way beholden to a clan of people. I can convince people that black people as a group aren’t great, it’s much harder to convince them that they’re not an island whose actions have no impact on anyone.
We've spent years talking about this and all we've gotten is trillions of dollars in debt which you will be held to bare for, let in millions of invaders who are currently destroying all our shit, with no consequences.
@Myles@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro And what do the MIGAs think of PF, oh right, muh fed demokkkrat nazis trying to make us look bad. To be clear, my stance on optics and the symbology are separate. It is my stance that embracing Americanism is a bad idea, but that's their call, My gripe is being too opticsy, The Futurist article goes over this fairly well, though they probably weren't aware of the community work and such americanfuturist.net/patriot-front-a-lesson-in-insanity/
@Myles@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro It's far less foreign to us then what ever the fuck this is. But as I said, trash it and bring about something new, Make our own flags and own legacy, embrace the spirit that made us great and trash the rest, no judeophile freemasons, no Sherman and Lincoln worship ETC.
@Myles@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro The freedom shit is flawed from the base, it results in degeneration, The Frontier Spirit is a point of pride as I've said, and the government needs power to quash our foes, freedom for the righteous and no one else.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro Every edgelord IRL natsoc group has fallen flat on its face or self-immolated. Guys who get super into Nazi aesthetics enough to make it their entire personality are natural contrarians. You can't have any sort of group that selects for bickering contrarians and expect success. At least "Americanism" is relevant to my experience as an American.
@Myles@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro We've had plenty of failures, the Klan is distinctly American and they died for example, it's nothing to do with the NS symbology, we've got NSC131 and Bloodtribe still around, plus a fair few more smaller ones.
@sickburnbro@Myles@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK Aye, Mine I don't think were so lucky, The issue is you need a good culture for the "normie" to be good. That's the issue, and why I don't think muh fredums works at all. There are good men in any era, as they are predisposed.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@transgrammaractivist@matty@Myles@reloadedAK@sickburnbro I guess that's our point of divide, I want a white collective though free of association and private property. While you want it via government force. My problem is actually maintaining a righteous government. To me i would prefer the ability for people own private property to develop their own private communities without forced integration by the state. The unrighteous ones would be filtered by property rights, and each person could afford arms within their property to protect in from degenerates. If one community falls, it's easy for another to raise, but if the state corrupts it's a much harder fight.
@Myles@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro Depends on the men with the power, NS Germany and it's fellows handled it well, Franco giving away his power resulted in his foes taking it once he died, so we need to keep it in the hands of the worthy. Our enemies holding it is horrid OFC. WE should hold the power to deal with our enemies and make our lands and people great, not our enemies, and not give it up for them to take either.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro I have pairs of socks that lasted longer than NS Germany. Using it as a point of comparison is pointless. Neo Nazis have proven more survivable than actual Nazis. Obviously, freedom is not a virtue, it is the reward of virtue
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro That's my point, there's no "legacy" of effective governance. I respect Hitler for turning things around for Germany and trying to take on the English and Soviets, but that's irrelevant to the US. Germans hate freedom. They're too crumedgeonly and slavish rule-followers. These are the same people that almost made communism work. Managing Germans is like tending to a pet rock. The question of limited government ultimately bills down to who whom.
@Myles@matty@transgrammaractivist@reloadedAK@sickburnbro OFC we're more survivable, NS Germany was destroyed by her enemies, we're just respecters of her legacy. "Freedom" was handled well by NS Germany for the most part, The just get to live great lives and traitors and degenerates get punished, you need to power to stop your foes, hence why limiting that is a bad idea.