@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @matty @transgrammaractivist @reloadedAK @sickburnbro That's my point, there's no "legacy" of effective governance. I respect Hitler for turning things around for Germany and trying to take on the English and Soviets, but that's irrelevant to the US. Germans hate freedom. They're too crumedgeonly and slavish rule-followers. These are the same people that almost made communism work. Managing Germans is like tending to a pet rock. The question of limited government ultimately bills down to who whom.