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   [Anonicus] (anonicus@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 12:41:55 JST [Anonicus]
   Going back to Debian, I gotta say they actually did fix quite a bit when it comes to this distro. Originally I had to fix up the Internet connection but now it works right out the gate now. The only setup I had to do was to get Flatpak up and running (ez task really).
   
   Linux Mint was actually giving me Internet connection problems, Disconnecting random on my wired connection for like, a long while for no reason. This was something I did not had an issue before prior when it came to Mint, But using both Windows 11 and Debian, I notice it was only an issue with Linux Mint.
   
   Honestly it's great being back to using Debian itself, It feels nice and cool to use and grabs people's attention at how based I am.
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     :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: (allison@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 12:41:54 JST :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans:

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     @anonicus the things you can do when you abandon "freedom" autism
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     :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: (allison@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 13:12:52 JST :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans:

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     @Zergling_man @anonicus idc about firmware, as long as everything in kernel and user space is FOSS, I'm gucci
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     Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 13:12:53 JST Zergling_man

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     @allison @anonicus >the things you can do when you [submit to slavery]
     ftfy
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 15:17:13 JST 翠星石

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     @allison @anonicus >Respecting the users freedom is autism
     >It's good to shit all over the users freedom to install proprietary software without even asking or advising the user adequately as to what software is being installed.
     Most wired NIC's work just fine without proprietary malware aside from broadcom garbage - I believe Mint systemd/Linux is probably shipping with a older Linux driver that doesn't workaround a hardware bug in the NIC (considering that's it's just even more outdated debian with a few changes), while Debian ships a slightly newer version with the bug worked around - alas proprietary malware being installed automatically gets the credit.
     
     I've found that the internet just work, with both wired and Wi-Fi on free distros like Trisquel with non-garbage hardware.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 16:02:35 JST 翠星石

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     • LisPi
     @lispi314 >Servers tend to have more of such issues than consumergrade hardware.
     Yep, but generally people go looking for a specific server board to purchase or used server they want and they can just choose wisely.
     
     Intel makes many server NIC's and most of those work fine without proprietary software like the ones used in the KGPE-D16.
     
     >Doesn't the installer explicitly ask if you want proprietary software?
     It doesn't.
     
     It installs *all* the proprietary software it guesses that your hardware could use *without asking* via an "install-firmware" script that doesn't even output clearly what has been installed (you have to look under /lib/firmware to see what was installed) and also auto-enables the "nonfree-firmware" repo, meaning the package manager also recommends proprietary software by default.
     
     Such script will install all of the proprietary intel microcode updates if it detects an intel CPU - even on a VM where those cannot be used.
     
     There is a poorly-documented boot flag, which you can manually set to "firmware=never" and then the "install-firmware" script won't run, but the existence of such is buried in the documentation and is not listed on the installer page.
     
     >Though it /does/ boot with it by default, yes.
     Yes, the only available installer iso contains all the proprietary software.
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 16:02:36 JST LisPi

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     @Suiseiseki @anonicus @allison Most. Servers tend to have more of such issues than consumergrade hardware.
     
     >>>It's good to shit all over the users freedom to install proprietary software without even asking or advising the
     user adequately as to what software is being installed.
     
     Doesn't the installer explicitly ask if you want proprietary software?
     
     Though it /does/ boot with it by default, yes.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 16:23:10 JST 翠星石

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     @lispi314 >They don't simply buy whatever has acceptable specs & expandability that doesn't break the bank when buying?
     It really isn't hard to take a look at the product page and see "oh the NICs won't work properly as they're broadcom".
     
     There is typically almost always the same kind of motherboard with the same price with decent NIC's also available even with limited availability.
     
     >The KGPE-D16 is kind of aging a bit these days, depending one what one intends to do.
     It's plenty fast for all reasonable usages.
     
     I'm wondering how hard 4 socket motherboards would be to port for twice the power (boards with an already supported chipset are report-ably an easy coreboot port).
     
     >I wonder how hard it'd be to use the ISO-building software to make Free Software-only ISOs.
     It's not too hard, but it'll be easier to just use a freedom-respecting distro instead than isn't going to accelerate down the slippery slope of proprietary software even harder eventually.
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 16:23:11 JST LisPi

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     @Suiseiseki > Yep, but generally people go looking for a specific server board to purchase or used server they want and they can just choose wisely.
     They don't simply buy whatever has acceptable specs & expandability that doesn't break the bank when buying?
     
     I'd certainly think that's how most who start homelab-ing run into that issue. Local availability can be a bitch.
     
     The KGPE-D16 is kind of aging a bit these days, depending one what one intends to do. Availability at a reasonable price is also uncertain.
     
     > Yes, the only available installer iso contains all the proprietary software.
     I wonder how hard it'd be to use the ISO-building software to make Free Software-only ISOs.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 16:36:38 JST 翠星石

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     • LisPi
     @lispi314 https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 16:36:39 JST LisPi

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     @Suiseiseki > It really isn't hard to take a look at the product page and see "oh the NICs won't work properly as they're broadcom".
     You're assuming they already know Broadcom are scum.
     
     Instead, they might be assuming ethernet NICs don't usually pull stupid shenanigans and are in for a learning experience.
     
     > It's plenty fast for all reasonable usages.
     The memory capacity is part of where it's aging the worst.
     
     > I'm wondering how hard 4 socket motherboards would be to port for twice the power (boards with an already supported
     chipset are report-ably an easy coreboot port).
     
     I haven't messed with firmware-level stuff, couldn't say.
     
     > It's not too hard, but it'll be easier to just use a freedom-respecting distro instead than isn't going to accelerate down the slippery slope of proprietary software even harder eventually.
     Which?
     
     Much as I love Guix as a foreign package manager, the original distro seems to have some rough corners.
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     :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: (allison@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 23:57:42 JST :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans:

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     • 翠星石
     @Suiseiseki @anonicus wired nics are the ideal case but not everyone has the luxury of drilling holes for ethernet cables so they can be used across floors
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jul-2024 00:48:45 JST 翠星石

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     @allison >but not everyone has the luxury of drilling holes for ethernet cables so they can be used across floors
     For crappily constructed buildings with no clear internal wall path between floors, you just drill a hole next to the windows and run the cat6 outside (through UV resistant plastic pipe, as that's cheaper than UV resistant cabling).
     
     If there is a clear path, you do based illegal electrical work (that is not in fact electrical work if you don't interfere with electrical wiring) by running the wires and installing wall plates.
     
     There is also the option of powerline, which can be used with wired NIC's, too bad it's only slightly less bad than Wi-Fi and is asymmetrical.