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   Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 07:55:09 JST Angry Sun

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   @arcana @scathach I'm sympathetic to environment being the ultimate cause of social ills but also people right now need to have security and if you have marauding bands of 50 or more people raiding stores, please just remove those people.
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     Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 09:02:04 JST Angry Sun

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     @kittenlikeasmallcat @arcana @scathach in practice crime harms poor people, rich people are shielded from crime. many crimes are people seeking thrills, there is no philosophical or material revolutionary act taking place. the same person who steals from the walgreens steals from a minimum wage worker trying to keep her family afloat and the joyrider is often also a rapist.
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     ᚛ᚉᚈᚅ᚜ (kittenlikeasmallcat@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 09:02:05 JST ᚛ᚉᚈᚅ᚜

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     @sun @arcana @scathach So-called Crime is good. I'm pro-crime. Illegalism is neat and coherent and effective. Murder in the name of upending a colonialist social order which allows only those who have inherited those fleeting, unsustainable spoils of exploitation and deceit and conquest to thrive is good murder. Property (not personal possessions and responsibilities, mind you) was always just an idea -- an assertion that can only be maintained by imposing unlimited suffering on out-groups, victims. It doesn't work, at all, even for those who seem to gain from it. When it's forced into "working" it just leads to "economic policy," which is barely code for sucking exploited people's blood and using that blood to lube the sucking exploited people's blood machine.

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     Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 09:04:24 JST Angry Sun

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     @kittenlikeasmallcat @arcana @scathach I understand what you're saying I just, after having seen mass crime close up, don't believe it has any revolutionary function.
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     Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 09:16:41 JST Angry Sun

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     @kittenlikeasmallcat @arcana @scathach I'm just saying its the same people over and over again in any social order do most of the socially destructive behavior. I mean, excluding the institutionalized harm that you're talking about and I agree exists. but but just, I am saying, most of the crime regular people are actually concerned about doesn't help at all to do anything about that other harm.
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     ᚛ᚉᚈᚅ᚜ (kittenlikeasmallcat@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 09:16:42 JST ᚛ᚉᚈᚅ᚜

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     @sun @arcana @scathach The boss steals from the worker, not the shoplifter.

     A joyrider who is a rapist may also often be a bungee jumping enthusiast or a sculptor, the connection here is only made to serve an unstable assertion.

     Crime qua crime (that which is prosecuted by the courts to uphold the status quo) and interpersonal violence are connected in a fundamentally thinner line than the interpersonal violence that constitutes social norms, political ventures, jails, courts, policing versus "crime" which provides for the living of the systematically disenfranchised. It is not akin to the interpersonal violence that policing presumes to correct. The policing itself is the root of that whole species of violence.

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     Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 09:20:18 JST Angry Sun

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     @kittenlikeasmallcat @arcana @scathach you correctly identified that I appealed to institutional policing to solve the crime problem in oakland. I only do that because realistically the biggest bully is the only thing that can create order. But I'm not happy about it.
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     ᚛ᚉᚈᚅ᚜ (kittenlikeasmallcat@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 09:20:19 JST ᚛ᚉᚈᚅ᚜

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     @sun @arcana @scathach These are unquestionably separated by orders of magnitude in their harm.

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     ᚛ᚉᚈᚅ᚜ (kittenlikeasmallcat@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 09:22:22 JST ᚛ᚉᚈᚅ᚜

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     @sun @arcana @scathach Policing doesn't create order, people throwing of their chains and organizing does.

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     Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 09:22:22 JST Angry Sun

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     @kittenlikeasmallcat @arcana @scathach as I mentioned before, worked in SF. depoliticized spaces are unfair but they also allow the most people to function productively.
     
     btw thank you for engaging me politely and respecfully, I appreciate it. I'm trying to do the same.
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     Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 09:28:43 JST Angry Sun

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     @kittenlikeasmallcat @arcana @scathach I agree, I just think in the meantime people need basic order even if that suppresses the revolutionary urge. in the history of the world people have lived under oppressive conditions but still expected to have a basically normal life. pervasive violent crime is worse for this than oppressive police etc
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     ᚛ᚉᚈᚅ᚜ (kittenlikeasmallcat@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 09:28:44 JST ᚛ᚉᚈᚅ᚜

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     @sun @arcana @scathach Depoliticized spaces ?

     Is productivity worth the actual measurable overwhelming death of the world?

     If there are issues with so-called crime, the issues have causes, and those causes are fundamental radical disenfranchisement and concentration of power and access to resources, an explicit and concerted effort over the past 400 years to re-create classes or rulers and slaves.