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   pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 17:55:02 JST pettter

   • goatsarah

   @drbjork @goatsarah This is especially important for center-right/center-left parties since they've been in basically unquestionable power for many many decades.

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 19:45:43 JST pettter

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     • argv minus one

     @argv_minus_one Occasionally they do, but since they are an actual threat to the existing order, they tend to either get infiltrated, subsumed and taken over, externally and internally countered in various material and propagandistic ways by capital and imperialist powers, or outright removed through physical force by same. @drbjork @goatsarah

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     argv minus one (argv_minus_one@mstdn.party)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 19:45:44 JST argv minus one

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     @pettter

     How come far-left parties never get a go, then? How come there's never headlines of national-UBI-advocating radicals taking power?

     @drbjork @goatsarah

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 21:23:05 JST pettter

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     • argv minus one

     @InkySchwartz The people, united, will never be defeated. Hence why such an incredible amount of resources is used to ensure that this unity is as far away as possible. @argv_minus_one @drbjork @goatsarah

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     Inky says "What the hell?!" (inkyschwartz@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 21:23:06 JST Inky says "What the hell?!"

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     • argv minus one

     @argv_minus_one @pettter @drbjork @goatsarah In addition to what the other person said, most nullify themselves by attacking the divisions within their own movement. Something that also allows them to be infiltrated.

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     kikebenlloch (kikebenlloch@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 23:09:34 JST kikebenlloch

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     @pettter @argv_minus_one @drbjork @goatsarah For instance, I'm no fan of Spain's Podemos but you read their story and the dirty war waged on them (basicly through a far right judiciary and sell out mass media), man, you'll see it all. The party onced rocked the scene, so the establishment for a brief period worried, pulled the strings and dealt with them. Now they're on their way to irrelevance. They did their part with lots of mistakes but no way they'd've lost so much base just on their own.

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 23:09:34 JST pettter

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     • argv minus one

     @kikebenlloch Similar story with SYRIZA in Greece, but then with the EU central bank and various EU big state governments. They deliberately crashed the greek economy into the ground to 'teach them a lesson', presumably the lesson was 'don't you fucking dare elect a leftist government'. @argv_minus_one @drbjork @goatsarah

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 23:11:29 JST pettter

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     • argv minus one

     @kikebenlloch Wait a few years and you have honest-to-god Nazis doing marches and getting the third highest vote share in the parliament. @argv_minus_one @drbjork @goatsarah

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 23:26:18 JST pettter

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     • argv minus one

     @kikebenlloch No this is describing the literal situation in Greece, though they've since lost political relevance, since the state took belated, but firm, action. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)

     @argv_minus_one @drbjork @goatsarah

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     kikebenlloch (kikebenlloch@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 23:26:19 JST kikebenlloch

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     @pettter @argv_minus_one @drbjork @goatsarah I think so. It's a process with its steps. You don't get full nazi massacres on day one. But are we slowly having the post-WW2 welfare societies eroded towards rampant fascism? Well...