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   triodug (triodug@fedi.triodug.com)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 00:08:19 JST triodug
   Friends I watched the LOTR Extended editions with tried to pull the whole "Sam and frodo are gay" shit on me. Not in my house nigga. Not in my house.
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     triodug (triodug@fedi.triodug.com)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 00:10:30 JST triodug

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     Literally first scene with Sam is him bricked tf up over a sexy hobbit bitch. He has like 14 kids with her immediately after his adventure.
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     zxcvfadsf (zxcvfadsf@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 00:18:19 JST zxcvfadsf

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     @triodug They don't sound like friends to me
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     Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?) (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 00:21:32 JST Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)

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     @triodug absolute brainworms. those bros are the most broful bros in the history of bros. shame for whoever does not respect that
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     iceloops (iceloops@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 00:26:35 JST iceloops

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     @why @triodug
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 03:45:23 JST clacke

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     A sci-fi author posted a video where he said that the strongest fantasy element of any fantasy movie is the unabashed male camraderie and physical affection, because men in the real world are trained not to hug except when celebrating sports victories.

     And I thought whoah there buddy, you must come from the absolute saddest and most traumatic part of the US, because to a Scandinavian all the examples he gave read as people being normal to each other.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 03:45:24 JST clacke

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     @triodug There's a fine line between on the one hand the standing joke "they were roommates!" when people in history were clearly gay but people don't want to see it, and on the other hand allowing men to be vulnerable and physically affectionate with their male friends without reading too much into it.
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     triodug (triodug@fedi.triodug.com)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 03:46:32 JST triodug

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     @clacke yeah that's pretty much all of the US. Immigrant families especially aren't very known for allowing vulnerability/affection. With anyone.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 04:39:10 JST clacke

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     @triodug That has to depend a lot on where they're immigrating from. Do you mean Latino immigrants?

     I don't know Latino culture so well. It looks to me that it has both strong machismo but also strong familial connection and strong brotherhood with friends, so I don't know which way it would go on the friendship physicality.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 04:47:15 JST Fish of Rage

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     @clacke @triodug I dispute that some of these people were clearly gay, for example it took a long time for whatever Western social processes to decide that men touching, crying, holding hands were not manly. This perception taints even progressives' perception of the past.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 04:49:14 JST Fish of Rage

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     @clacke @triodug Sometimes I think what is possibly most likely is that heterosexuality/homosexuality wasn't even as rigidly defined.
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     Morghur the Sealgave (morghur@seal.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 04:49:59 JST Morghur the Sealgave

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     Nah, it's because today people are so porn addled and deranged that they see a deep and meaningul friendship with gestures of care between people and they inmediately think that they are fucking
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     Lakeshore :hacker_l: :hacker_s: :hacker_s: (lss@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 04:50:00 JST Lakeshore :hacker_l: :hacker_s: :hacker_s:

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     @clacke @triodug I doubt half the people in history whom you'd call gay actually were, and you're reinforcing the idea you claim to dislike by saying that. How do I know that? Intuition.
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     :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: (allison@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 04:51:49 JST :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans:

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     @sun @triodug @clacke I really don't think "homosexuality" as a concept makes sense for anything before... like... 1900 (maybe 1850 if you're really stretching it). Same sex attraction and relationships definitely existed before that date but the prevailing norms thru which it was understood and also thru which friendship was understood were totally alien to any modern notions of gender or sexuality as they currently exist.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 04:52:56 JST Fish of Rage

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     @allison @triodug @clacke the past is a foreign country
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     @sun @triodug @clacke indeed so, which is why I think it's just silly beyond belief to apply our present ideological lenses and preconceptions to it
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     pettanko (pettanko@bae.st)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 05:10:50 JST pettanko

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     @allison @triodug @clacke @sun That and for those before the legalization of homosexuality it's really really hard to tell what someone's true feelings were where, if they were gay, they were trying very hard to seem not so.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 08:46:42 JST clacke

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     @Morghur @triodug @lss Like I said, it's both. Some people will claim everything as gay and some will admit to nothing being gay. No matter where you draw your line you'll have type I and type II errors, false positives and negatives.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2024 08:46:54 JST clacke

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     @sun @triodug I mean there are examples of pairs of men or women living as "friends" sharing a bed for decades and never taking an other-sex partner.

     They could be just friends obviously, I don't want to commit aro or ace erasure, but I would expect most of those "roommates" to be more than friends and more than platonic.