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    Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:10:16 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
    • Missing The Point

    This post from @MissingThePt brought me back to my 9th grade Civics class:
    https://mastodon.social/@MissingThePt/112649562587904467

    Our teacher decided that we needed to learn about the virtues of the Free Market, so he devised a special plan: students would own resources in the classroom, and rent them out to other students. Educational!

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      Breaking: Silicon Valley company announces it has acquired rights to the sun and will begin charging for solar power collection.
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:12:26 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      He assigned classroom resources at the start of the year by giving us each a fixed budget of imaginary money and holding a single-round silent auction. Each of us could write down a bid on anything in the room, and the winner would get to charge the other students imaginary class money to use it. No pay, no use! Anything in the classroom. Things like chairs or the pencil sharpener, he said.

      I wrote down “air.”

      2/

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:15:45 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      “Oh, no, you can’t do that,” he said. And he invalidated my bid.

      I decided that if I couldn’t make people pay me money to stay alive, then this wasn’t really the free market. The teacher was not particularly receptive to this thought, or my suggestion that destroying private wealth just to keep everyone alive was really strong-government regulation, maybe even socialism.

      3/

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:18:11 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      Deciding that the whole “experiment” was bunk and had a pre-ordained trajectory, I decided to work the system. I got myself appointed Treasurer of our little class government. This job involved two tasks:

      1. Some light bookkeeping.
      2. Designing and printing our class money.

      4/

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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: repeated this.
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:21:06 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      I printed unlimited money for myself, a fact that nobody seemed to notice or care about, and thus effectively excused myself from the entire experiment.

      So in the end, I think maybe I learned something about real-world capitalism after all.

      /end

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:32:53 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      A consistent result of classroom attempts to simulate free markets seems to be “it’s all about who has power:”
      https://m6n.io/@fuzzychef/112650119052080465

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        Berkubernetus (@fuzzychef@m6n.io)
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        @inthehands@hachyderm.io In my (really good) HS economics class, we got to play a citywide stock market game, where econ students pretended to be traders and followed the stock market (this was sponsored by a local newspaper). In deciding positions, I looked at local company Digital Computing and decided that it was tremendously overvalued. So I put all my money into short-selling it. This was November 1987. 1/
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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:36:22 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
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      @inthehands This reminds me of something that happened in one of my classes. We had a statement of account, from which we received "money" as reward for certain things, and could spend on "prizes". It operated like a checkbook. The teacher signed off on each entry adding or removing money.

      I gradually adjusted the shape of one of the digits from one to another over a month long period - critically over a page boundary. I think it was something like slowly turning a 1 into a 7. My handwriting always was terrible...

      Eventually, I started spending this money I had granted myself out of nowhere. One of the other students asked "How did Ryan get all that money?", and the teacher said "they've been saving up for a long time". Lol. Rofl. Lamo.

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:42:08 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Dan Sugalski

      @wordshaper
      More than their creators intended, I think, and certainly not in the way they intended

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      Dan Sugalski (wordshaper@weatherishappening.network)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:42:09 JST Dan Sugalski Dan Sugalski
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      @inthehands So, accurate simulations then?

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:45:18 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Lone Spelunker

      @lonespelunker
      Oh, I’ll give you one guess

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      Lone Spelunker (lonespelunker@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:45:19 JST Lone Spelunker Lone Spelunker
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      @inthehands

      Wow. So did the teacher exempt himself from having to pay for stuff, or was he willing to subject HIMSELF to the free market forces at play, too?

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:48:59 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Mark Gritter

      @markgritter
      I’m honestly not sure what he was thinking, only that it wasn’t really thought out much at all. My best guess is that the lesson was supposed to be “in this country we pay for things with money, and the kids need to learn about budgeting or something.”

      The fact that my unlimited money-printing did not and could not have caused inflation sort of tells the story right there.

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      Mark Gritter (markgritter@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:49:00 JST Mark Gritter Mark Gritter
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      @inthehands So capitalism, but only on existing resources, and without any competition? Like, was he _trying_ to make the point that rent-seeking is bad? Capitalism But Everything is A Monopoly?

      Maybe I'm making the unfair assumption that nobody could bring in extra chairs to compete and actually establish some sort of market, but I kind of doubt it.

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      James Umbanhowar (jumbanho@mas.to)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:50:58 JST James Umbanhowar James Umbanhowar
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      @inthehands my father taught a class where the students played a version of Monopoly where they were able to change the rules however they wanted, with the exception that no one could leave the game.

      He was a political scientist, so the class was really about political economy, i.e. power.

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:50:58 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • James Umbanhowar

      @jumbanho
      Ha, chaotic evil at its best

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:52:49 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Jason Petersen (he)

      @jason
      I mean, I can’t imagine a world where “a money-printing individual can enrich themselves without limit and without accountability” is a good idea. But there is some kind of good principle lurking in there somewhere.

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      Jason Petersen (he) (jason@logoff.website)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 02:52:50 JST Jason Petersen (he) Jason Petersen (he)
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      @inthehands hot take: it’s good none of the rules apply to sovereigns that print money and they should stop pretending like they do.

      But otherwise, yeah, this all sounds Very Education System

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      Jenniferplusplus (jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 03:08:09 JST Jenniferplusplus Jenniferplusplus
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      @inthehands omg this thread, I love it so much

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 03:20:09 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Berkubernetus
      • Morten Grøftehauge

      @drgroftehauge @fuzzychef
      Poetry.

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      Morten Grøftehauge (drgroftehauge@sigmoid.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 03:20:10 JST Morten Grøftehauge Morten Grøftehauge
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      • Berkubernetus

      @fuzzychef @inthehands We had a similar game in 7th (?) grade but not local, just the 20 most traded stocks in the country. There was a prize for gaining the most fictional money. Of course the winners had a single company in their portfolio - teaching us that the way to win is to maximise risk.

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      Berkubernetus (fuzzychef@m6n.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 03:20:14 JST Berkubernetus Berkubernetus
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      @inthehands I should have won the game by like $1m. But, given the win, the admins of the game decided that I must have had inside information and disqualified me. There was no appeal.

      Coincidentally, the "winner" was the grandson of the president of the school board.

      This was also a great education into how US Capitalism and the stock market actually works.

      2/fin

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      Berkubernetus (fuzzychef@m6n.io)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 03:20:17 JST Berkubernetus Berkubernetus
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      @inthehands In my (really good) HS economics class, we got to play a citywide stock market game, where econ students pretended to be traders and followed the stock market (this was sponsored by a local newspaper). In deciding positions, I looked at local company Digital Computing and decided that it was tremendously overvalued. So I put all my money into short-selling it.

      This was November 1987.

      1/

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