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@arcana > fukushima
contractor issue from what i recall. they were told to build a secondary control center to cover earthquakes, and the absolute mongoloids built the backup control center below the primary one because they were stupid
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@arcana plus japan had to pass a state secrets act to cover up the sheer negligence of this whole proceeding
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@sun @arcana it seems that if you are a carbon theorist you have to either concede to nuclear power, or admit you're a depopulation/deindustrialist. and, honestly, trying to sell permanent austerity to populations of people isn't going to fly.
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@sun @arcana rfk talked about nobody is willing to insure a nuclear power plant.
i'm sort of mixed on nukes because that heavy water is a pretty significant problemhazard and the things are prone to becoming pretty significant problemhazards but they also produce shedloads of power in the smallest cubic volume :neocat_thonk:
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@icedquinn @arcana the blame-capitalism argument against nuclear power is that we're running unsafe GE reactors past their expiration date because it's not cost-effective or politically manageable to replace them. probably an argument against democracy too since politicians are too cowardly to do anything about it.
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@icedquinn @arcana I have been seeing more "if you think there are too many people you're an ecofascist" on here lately. not sure where it's coming from.
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@sun @arcana ecofascism has been around a while yeah.
it's basically the same as the Trust The Science health nazis but instead of trying to prick you with more needles than a platinum record it's about their model of ecological friendliness.
which in this day and age, is probably carbon theory and the associated "starve/kill everyone to net zero"
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@icedquinn @arcana the best argument for nuclear power is that the waste is compact and easy to collect and store, but the best argument against nuclear power is there is nowhere to store it because nobody wants to store it near where they live.
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@sun @arcana personally i punt for what i call the suicide burn because we dump everything in to AGI and/or getting off planet and hope to bring the dawn before the world collapses.
the game is unwinnable but we can change the game :blobcatgendou:
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@sun @icedquinn @arcana why cant we blast it off to space
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@why @arcana @sun boost is expensive and earthwater is precious
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@icedquinn @arcana I think people concerned about population are correct because 1. the number always go up 2. if you intend on improving their quality of life it puts more pressure on the environment and 3. "there's plenty of room" just because you could pack yellowstone with high density skyrises doesn't mean you should
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@arcana @sun they're called suicide burns because its a spaceflight maneuver where you basically let the capsule free fall until the very last minute where you max the thruster to hit delta zero before you pancake in to the ground.
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@why @arcana @icedquinn that entails dumping too much carbon into the atmosphere, it would be possible if we had a space elevator but thats probably over a hundred years away from technically feasible
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@sun @arcana @why :neofox_thonk: we could probably do it.
its expensive, very expensive, and needs very smart people though.
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@sun @arcana @why would need to democratize manufacturing a bit more. there's advances in atomically testing materials and alloys. we'd need NEETs crunching material simulations in their basements and people trying shit on a massive scale.
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@icedquinn @arcana @why I think a space elevator is worth doing and we might as well start now
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Arguments against where to store the fuel waste falls apart once you look into lifting bureaucratic restrictions on reprocessing and next gen fuel processes. Current reprocessing techniques turn current spent fuel dumps into useful fuel stores for hundreds of years; the US wouldn't have to mine for nuclear fuel for a very long time. TWRs can take spent fuel and use it to generate power with the byproduct of precious metals and rare earth elements.
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@Christmas_Man @arcana @sun well you have to keep in mind as far as the DOD is concerned, the purpose of nuclear power is to make bombs.
that's why everyone who "needs power" only ever makes plutonium breeders.
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@Christmas_Man @arcana @sun there is no actual reason iran, korea, isreal, etc, needs uranium. there's piles of designs for various radioactives. none of them make boom booms.
we could give them thorium, but you will note that the corrupt gizmos only give them the weapons grade stuff.
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@apophis @icedquinn @arcana I never have interacted with these people so yeah my understanding of the issue is low.
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@sun @icedquinn @arcana it seems like they're responding to some genuinely awful takes - some racist grassless boomer homebodies who misinterpret the population issue without considering lifestyle changes and concluding that we should just let billions of faceless people in poor countries starve to death while people in the luxurious hegemon countries can just go along with their huge pickup trucks and disposable telephones and airplane commutes - and extrapolating that *all* concerns about the neverending number-go-up are equally invalid and and bad faith
it's like the dog who growled at the stone thrown at it, that's since learned its lesson and now attacks the pond that the mosquitoes biting it hatched from
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@sun >there is nowhere to store it because nobody wants to store it near where they live.
It's simple - either reprocess it or bury it;
0. Choose a tectonically stable desert nobody cares about.
1. Dig a deep hole into the bedrock.
2. Throw the barrels down.
3. Fill with lots of rocks and cement.
4. Put warning sign on top with the expiry date (optional - literally nobody advanced enough to get past all that rock and concrete won't know what radioactive materials are).
If that's too hard - just throw the barrels into the ocean like the USA did and you'll still end up with less ecological damage than the shitloads of radioactive material released by burning the amount of coal required to get the same electrical output.
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