Church of Jeff
With the news that yet another white supremacist was planning another mass shooting event, the more and more people need to be ready to jump into action to save lives.
This is my six item trauma kit list
RECOMMEND:
Tourniquet, x2
Chest seals, 6"x6", with vent, x2
"Israeli-style" compression bandages, 6-inch, x2
Kaolin infused (Quik-Clot) packing gauze, at least 4 feet
EMT Shears, x1
Emergency Blanket (cold/shock), x1
You can't wait for help to arrive, YOU ARE THE HELP.
Church of Jeff
What's sad is that this is only going to save ONE person, IF they only have ONE torso wound and up to two limb wounds.
You will need to DOUBLE the tourniquets, compression bandages, and packing gauze, and TRIPLE the chest seals to save ONE person with multiple wounds.
If there is a mass shooting event, MULTIPLE people will need to be carrying these kits.
Get the training, save LIVES.
#firstaid #massshooting #StopTheBleed
Church of Jeff
@schnabel -- LoL... Lucky you, Americans export their gun culture around the world.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/22/europe/prague-czech-shooting-survivor-disease-intl-hnk/index.html
Stefan Savelsberg
@jeffowski Tell me you’re American without telling me you’re American.
Church of Jeff
@schnabel -- Sounds like you're in denial.
Mass shootings and mass casualty events happen all the time. Are you going to be ready to do something or are you going to be a bystander?
Stefan Savelsberg
@jeffowski I think that may be a bit exaggerated.
Church of Jeff
@schnabel -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2024_mass_shootings_in_Europe
This is just for this year. Again, I think you underestimate the chances of a mass shooting in your area.
Stefan Savelsberg
@jeffowski Sounds like you’re misunderstanding me. Mass shootings are - despite the CNN article you mentioned - not common in Europe. That’s all I wanted to say. I’m all for learning first aid and being g able to help, but in Europe this would mean preparing for traffic accidents or heart attacks.
Church of Jeff
@schnabel -- I'm amazed that Europeans don't understand how small Europe is.
It is a full 1/3 more distance between New York and Los Angeles (2700 miles) than between London and Moscow (1800 miles).
I suppose if you divided up the US into quarters, you could see the similarities.
Stefan Savelsberg
@jeffowski Five. One of them in Moscow(!), one in Georgia, two places not exactly known for being part of Europe politically. That leaves three. For all of Europe.
I think the risk of being close to a mass shooting in Europe is close to zero.
Church of Jeff
@schnabel -- EXACTLY... THANKS FOR MAKING MY POINT.
Even with the strictest gun laws, mass shootings are happening on a regular basis and happening at an increasing rate, IN SPITE OF THOSE LAWS.
Discounting gun violence because you're in Europe is simply you burying your head in the ground like an ostrich, ignoring the data and the trend.
Stefan Savelsberg
@jeffowski You are aware Russia and Georgia are different countries with guarded borders between them and any European neighbors? Different laws? There’s no country in Europe with gun laws comparable to the US?
Church of Jeff
Man Plans Mass Shooting At Rap Show To Ignite Race War Before Election
https://youtu.be/VKuxYxKMmSQ
#MAGA #TrumpFelon #firstaid #massshooting
Church of Jeff
@MossyQuartz - duct/duck tape is also really good for this too. The trauma kit is designed for someone with training to use those items to save gunshot trauma victims specifically.
No splints, no band-aids, no aspirin, not even a pair of latex gloves. Just the bare basics with the things that you need ASAP that you cannot improvise your way through.
Crystal
@jeffowski as to your first aid advice, my advice is to be aware of alternative first aid materials. Those items on your list should only be used by people who have some knowlege of their proper use and average outcome risks of use. Food wrap and handkerchiefs are on my list. Someone I knew was teaching a first aid class and told us he actually used food wrap, plastic wrap, to cover a sucking chest wound (yes, after a shooting).
Catherine is not complacent
@jeffowski I’ll add in that it doesn’t have to be a shooting event. I live in a rural area where it can take at least half an hour for EMTs to arrive. A good understanding of first aid, what to do and what not to do should be something everyone knows. A fully stocked first aid kit should always be in your home and vehicle. A shooting, accident, or medical event can happen anywhere.
Church of Jeff
@autolycos - Completely ineffective to a torso gunshot wound. Also completely ineffective if the arm is completely off, which is the case for most assault rifle wounds to the arm.
Please get some actual EMT training before you share information that is factually extremely wrong.
Darth Osler
@jeffowski I have a 2 item list
Kerlix
Ace bandage
If you are in the field, direct pressure and deep packing are what you need
Fluids and O2 are also great
Church of Jeff
@autolycos -- Wow... You need major retraining or you forgot all of your training.
A chest wound in or near a lung CANNOT be packed. Your patient would not be able to breathe, and depending on where in the chest, may even impinge on heart function.
You can ONLY pack a wound that has muscle around it. Lungs and other organs are very squishy and cannot be packed in that manner, hence the chest seals.
If you really ARE a medical provider, you are jeopardizing your license with your original comment
Darth Osler
@jeffowski I was initially certified 26 years ago. Former combat medical and disaster/wilderness certified and am a dual board certified physician.
Do go on
Church of Jeff
@autolycos -- OK... show me ANY EMT or First Responder documentation you have indicating that you should pack a chest wound...
I'll wait.
Darth Osler
@jeffowski oh, and I forgot the 4 years of instructing CPR, ACLS, ATLS, and PHTLS
Church of Jeff
@autolycos -- LoL.. Apparently, you only claim to be a doctor, because you've given patently false and dangerous information if you think you can pack a chest wound.
You're so obviously NOT a real doctor or you could shut me up with a simple link with the correct information, but you can't. In fact, if you actually looked it up, you could see how wrong you really are.
Darth Osler
@jeffowski *shrug* you manage what you have the resources for.
An open chest wound in a prehospital environment is a huge endeavor.
Yes, I don't carry a chest seal or other catastrophe management for significant reasons. I also don't carry many meds for the same reason.
I protect my license by keeping my insurer happy
Church of Jeff
@autolycos -- LMAO... Totally not a real doctor.
You've been caught in a lie and now you're running away.
Darth Osler
@jeffowski I use a different toolkit for a mass situation than a single patient situation.
We're done here.
eva_chaos
Unless you are a trained EMT or other health professional, attempting to intervene will get you nothing but sued because you have no idea what the fuck you are doing.
Church of Jeff
@eva_chaos -- In emergency situations, people have immunity for trying to help.
The last thing you want to do is DISCOURAGE people from helping when TIME IS OF THE ESSENSE.
There will be MULTIPLE casualties and there will need to be MULTIPLE responders ASAP.
Like I said, you can't stand by and wait for help to arrive.
Church of Jeff
@eva_chaos -- But you can be trained without full medical licensing, etc.
For fuck's sake, we have this:
http://www.stopthebleed.org/training/
eva_chaos
You are a danger to others. Administering medical aid when you are not qualified is beyond arrogant and you are absolutely liable for poor outcomes.
Church of Jeff
@eva_chaos -- Go for it...
Fuck off. You're the asshole here.
eva_chaos
Not only will I block you for histrionics, but I will also report you.
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