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   Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 20:46:25 JST Mrs Cloudy

   When / If Labour renationalise English water and railways, it's clearly going to be paid for by UK taxpayers. Same as the bill for unpaid English student tuition bills. England keeps cocking things up, and everyone else keeps having to pay. #BrexitDisaster #EnglandIsNotUK

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     Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 20:54:22 JST Mrs Cloudy

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     @Nigel_Purchase it isn't the cost of purchase that's going to cost us all billions.

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     Fight the Right (nigel_purchase@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 20:54:23 JST Fight the Right

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     They should let Thames Water go bankrupt, then nationalise it for one pound.

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     Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:03:03 JST Mrs Cloudy

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     @Nigel_Purchase which Government. Paid off, how?

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     Fight the Right (nigel_purchase@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:03:04 JST Fight the Right

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     Yeah, I know. But the debt can be assumed by the government and paid off over the next 3 decades. Still not good, though. What a catastrophic failure neoliberalism has been.

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     Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:16:08 JST Mrs Cloudy

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     @Nigel_Purchase you've missed my point. This is an English problem. It isn't a problem affecting the whole UK. Scottish Water was never sold off in the first place, so doesn't need to be bought back.
     Taxation to fix this specifically English problem won't just apply to English taxpayers. It will be imposed UK wide. As per.

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     Fight the Right (nigel_purchase@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:16:10 JST Fight the Right

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     @CloudyMrs From taxes. But the current plan going the rounds is shareholders would ALSO be paid off, and that is unconscionable.

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     Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:20:24 JST Mrs Cloudy

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     @Kierkegaanks they won't tax the wealthy more. They will tax ordinary UK taxpayers more.
     Water and trains are already in public hands in Scotland. What benefit will Scots see from additional UK wide taxation imposed to improve English infrastructure?

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     Kierkegaanks regretfully (kierkegaanks@beige.party)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:20:25 JST Kierkegaanks regretfully

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     @CloudyMrs taxing the wealthy more has proven beneficial for infrastructure

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     Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:21:56 JST Mrs Cloudy

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     @Nigel_Purchase by what mechanism. Westminster won't allow it. They went to court to establish their right to stop us from even asking the question.

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     Fight the Right (nigel_purchase@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:21:57 JST Fight the Right

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     And by the way, the sooner Scotland is independent, the better.

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     Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:25:21 JST Mrs Cloudy

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     @Kierkegaanks do you? I don't see it at all. Labour is terrified of scaring the horses.

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     Kierkegaanks regretfully (kierkegaanks@beige.party)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:25:22 JST Kierkegaanks regretfully

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     @CloudyMrs par for the course of colonialism

     But I kind of feel a slowly turning tide for taxing the rich more to pay for stuff the poor can’t finance. Key word being slowly

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     Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:31:12 JST Mrs Cloudy

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     @Kierkegaanks The UK, or England? Not sure which one you mean.

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     Kierkegaanks regretfully (kierkegaanks@beige.party)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:31:13 JST Kierkegaanks regretfully

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     @CloudyMrs despite brexit, the uk is not immune to macro-economic trends

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     Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:35:45 JST Mrs Cloudy

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     @Nigel_Purchase you're about two years behind the curve with that argument. It's been had. Unionists would boycot it. Results would be discounted. Bish bash bosh. We keep being ignored.
     Before the SNP won a majority of Scottish seats in both Holyrood and Westminster, the goalpost to reach was a majority of seats.
     The goalposts will just keep on moving. Westminster owns the field.

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     Fight the Right (nigel_purchase@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:35:46 JST Fight the Right

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     They can't stop an "informal" referendum. Of course, it wouldn't be binding, but if a majority of Scots want independence, It's hard to see how England can refuse. That's the key: can we get 55% of the people of Scotland to vote "out"?

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     Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:37:42 JST Mrs Cloudy

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     • Kierkegaanks regretfully

     @Kierkegaanks is it though? Takes us back to my original point.

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     Kierkegaanks regretfully (kierkegaanks@beige.party)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 21:37:43 JST Kierkegaanks regretfully

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     @CloudyMrs unless you leave the union it’s practically the same?

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     Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 22:21:45 JST Mrs Cloudy

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     @Nigel_Purchase I'm not sure that's entirely true. I don't particularly think I will see independence. I do still think that voting for a Scottish party rather than one that's knotted up in displaying how English they are is worth doing. I have gone from being about 90% engaged in politics to around 25%. Notably still a higher level of engagement than most of the people around me. Lots of folk have totally disengaged.

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     Fight the Right (nigel_purchase@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 22:21:46 JST Fight the Right

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     But you haven't given up. Why not?

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     Raymond Russell (raymierussell@mastodon.scot)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 00:02:21 JST Raymond Russell

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     @Nigel_Purchase @CloudyMrs
     Yup. the biggest con is the attempt to keep an unsustainable private business going by public subsidy to protect the debt holders rather than letting it take its 'natural' course and going bust.

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     Mrs Cloudy (cloudymrs@mastodon.scot)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 00:02:21 JST Mrs Cloudy

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     @raymierussell @Nigel_Purchase That's not the biggest con from where I'm sitting. I have a good service, and I trust my already nationalised provider.Trying to make me pay for something I already own is going to be a difficult sell.

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     Fight the Right (nigel_purchase@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 10-Jun-2024 00:02:22 JST Fight the Right

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     In fact, come to think of it, in a bankruptcy, the debt is also written off. Let the company default on its debt, THEN take it back into public ownership.