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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 22:36:36 JST 
Bread up, Bro
I think our overproduced shit culture has a lot of parallels with how Disco imploded -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 22:44:45 JST 
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@sickburnbro Hasn't pop music been similar to Disco for the past 20 years? I remember how often Disco was mocked when I was a teen and yet a lot of the same sounds are all over. Maybe the mockery and rejection were more of a response to the inorganic plasticized shift in culture from the young people who grew up with real music and singer singer-writers. Times are different and there's little cultural inertia to that idea left, and I think that applies to most areas of our culture (unfortunately) especially as it's become diluted through globalization. -
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Clever_Moniker (clevermoniker@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 22:47:15 JST 
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@sickburnbro Can you... expand on that? -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 22:47:15 JST
Bread up, Bro
@CleverMoniker still thinking about it, but disco was a highly produced, highly marketed product that failed. I haven't read a whole lot about exactly why it failed, as most stuff doesn't concern itself with that, but about what came next.
You can get some stuff about the failure of studio 54, and the cast of characters who ran it is .. unsurprising. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 22:50:47 JST
Bread up, Bro
@BowsacNoodle I haven't thought it through enough to decide how similar. But I do know that A&R has massively changed in the past 20 years, which has done a lot to change things.
From what I've seen, a lot of small scenes still exist, there just isn't national label agents scouring small clubs and trying to pull new sounds into a larger audience.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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EvilSandmich (evilsandmich@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:01:05 JST 
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker Disco was before my time, but the early video game implosion wasn't: a subpar product that failed to evolve but continued to expand as it's producers failed to consider that "none of the above" is also a consumer choice. Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:01:44 JST
Bread up, Bro
@EvilSandmich @CleverMoniker and in a time when disposable income is evaporating, "none of the above" becomes a powerful choice. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:06:21 JST
Bread up, Bro
@sapphire @JoshuaSlocum @CleverMoniker I think it's a lot more than that, though. -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:06:22 JST 
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@JoshuaSlocum @CleverMoniker @sickburnbro Disco got a LOT of public backlash in the late 70s because 1. music fans will always hate anything that's popular and 2. discos let in niggers and fags and it just became a thinly veiled excuse to do stimulants and have orgies -
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JoshuaSlocum (joshuaslocum@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:06:23 JST 
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker Disco was alright. Sure, highly produced and marketed, but it was dance music, and people still danced.
There was also a lot of blow involved, which helps.
But then the dancing fad went away, and then you're just left with the music, which wasn't *that* good. And then the negroes got into the coke, and it all went to shit. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:09:39 JST
Bread up, Bro
@sapphire @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum sure, but think about why it didn't happen earlier. -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:09:40 JST
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum it really isn't, disco died HARD after Disco Demolition Night, local rock radio station hosted a promotional night at a baseball game where if you brought a disco record they'd blow it up in the midfield, turned into a riot and the upper middle class, looking for any excuse to get rid of the crack and buttsex dens in their city, pushed it HARD as a condemnation of disco -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:15:01 JST
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum because like most things infested by niggers, addicts and faggots it takes time to corrupt a thing.
This is like looking at video games and saying "they're so infested with faggots and niggers, why didnt video gaming die in 2001?" -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:15:01 JST
Bread up, Bro
@sapphire @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum What I'm getting at is that there are mulitple factors which coalesced at that point. Punk had already started gaining traction.
Remember Saturday Night Fever was 77. I consider that the saturation point for corruption, and it was probably even before that. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:18:10 JST
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@sapphire @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum right, but which got elevated to the position of cultural significance after disco. -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:18:11 JST
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum Sure, but backlash ALSO takes time, video games are just starting to falter and they've been getting faggy for over a decade and hit critical mass years ago -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:18:11 JST
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum also punk wasn't in opposition to disco, it was in opposition to prog rock. the disco feud was with traditional stadium rock -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:23:30 JST
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum sure, but only in a vacuum created by faggots having nothing better to do after discos closed -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:23:30 JST
Bread up, Bro
@sapphire @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum yes, this is exactly what I'm getting at. But don't focus on what they are complaining about, but about the complainers.
Who are they, why are they so bent out of shape? Sure, some people like the owner of studio 54 was at the club every night doing drugs and having sex, but the nerds at rolling stone weren't. -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:25:40 JST
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum "sure, the mainstream studios are doing DEI and gay shit, but you can still play indie games" -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:25:40 JST
Bread up, Bro
@sapphire @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum consuuuming is your only reward in a psychic hellhole -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:33:26 JST
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@sickburnbro Seems that way to me. Nashville has become the predominant music city in our country for any sort of scouting, largely because artists live there and will hear dudes playing at various cafes and bars and try to buy rights to original songs they like, so I'm told. Everyone in Country either knows someone or starts out as a songwriter before getting a breakout if they're lucky. Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:46:49 JST
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum remember, this is the 70s. Music wasn't free and you couldn't just listen to whatever you want, you either paid for records or your entire perception of music was shaped by your local radio DJ.
90% of people who hated disco never went to a discotheque or listened to more than a song or two, they just had a rock DJ they liked who bashed the "AAA" discos (rightly) for being dens of faggotry
To tie it back to the gaming analogy, imagine if you got all your games based on recommendations from either Nintendo Power or Kotaku -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:46:49 JST
Bread up, Bro
@sapphire @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum Disco was constantly high in the Billboard top in the mid to late 70s, and iirc that was based on airplay. I would say that plenty of people did hear it a bit just based on that. -
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:53:30 JST 
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Didn't Sporify start off using tons of pirated mp3s, similar to how Crunchyroll used Fan-subs, fucking over the social contracts of pirate scenes? -
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JoshuaSlocum (joshuaslocum@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:53:31 JST
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@sapphire @CleverMoniker @sickburnbro >your entire perception of music was shaped by your local radio DJ
Hard to overstate the importance of this at the time. This was prior to the deregulation that allowed a handful of companies to own all the radio stations, so A&R reps had to actually travel to Poughkeepsie to unload their payola (hookers and blow) to the local DJ.
It was a real thing back then. You could make or break a band by bribing tastemakers, and they did.
They still do a version of this, but it's much more, well, corporate. Tbh, if I had to choose between the two, I prefer the hookers and blow version. -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:53:31 JST
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@JoshuaSlocum @CleverMoniker @sickburnbro Yeah now they just fake it by paying niggers to run cell phone farms of spotify playlists https://watch.mommys.plumbing/watch?v=whQ8UBoz-To -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:54:10 JST
Bread up, Bro
@sapphire @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum For sure, but two things, at worst all we're arguing over is how hard these people were trying to push disco on the public.
While I think diving into this is very interesting, neither answer changes the fit from it being related to how things are working now. -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:54:11 JST
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum this shit was so faked its not even funny dude, you have no idea. Even beyond just straight bribing DJs to lie about their top requests or to play songs at 3 AM that nobody will listen to, the recording industry methods are designed to be exploited. Ever wonder why EVERY radio station has one of those call sign promos where they play like 3 seconds of 20 songs in quick succession? Soundscan picks up each of those as a play -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:54:11 JST
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum This is why I specifically picked out Nintendo Power and Kotaku. If they weren't outright controlled by the record company, someone was blowing them for favorable press -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:57:39 JST
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@sickburnbro @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum sure, this is a nonsequitur and I'm not sure why you brought it up, and this isn't limited to disco, I'm just telling you its irrelevant because the numbers are made up -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:57:39 JST
Bread up, Bro
@sapphire @CleverMoniker @JoshuaSlocum Again, numbers aren't "made up" - they are manipulated. the BeeGees didn't sell a billion copies and have the record company buying all of them.
It's like the old performing trick of putting a few coins in your hat before you put it out. -
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JoshuaSlocum (joshuaslocum@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 23:59:43 JST
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@sapphire @sickburnbro @CleverMoniker Back in the day, it was Arbitron. If you were selected to participate, you were supposed to keep a diary of what you listened to. It was seriously that grug-tech. There wasn't a lot of accusations of chicanery and fuckery, but there was some.
Everybody kinda sorta knew it was pretty limp data, but a lot of station managers lived and died by it. The college radio stations all ignored it, and that's why you got a bunch of folks who knew about The Smiths and REM and whatnot back in the day. The college stations also tended to be low-power, so they operated under somewhat different rules, IIRC.Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 09-May-2024 00:00:03 JST
Bread up, Bro
@JoshuaSlocum @sapphire @CleverMoniker the real crazy skitzo level is look books.
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