Aral Balkan
If you’re on mastodon.social, I would highly recommend that you switch to a different server that protects its people instead of exposing them to a well-known bad actor like Facebook/Meta via Threads.
For alternatives, see: https://fedipact.veganism.social
And remember that Mastodon is not the fediverse. The fediverse is much more than just Mastodon and definitely more so than mastodon.social and Mastodon gGmbH.
#mastodonSocial #mastodonGGMBH #mastodon #fediverse #threads #facebook #meta
Aral Balkan
@winet Sure. Let’s also federate with Gab and every other instance blocked for being a bad actor. In fact, let’s just remove the feature of blocking servers entirely from the Mastodon codebase.
Анатолий Богомолов
@aral I don't really get how this is a problem.
It's just another instance in fediverse. Threads don't get any more data than other servers do. And your data is publicly available, that's why it's social media. This is more dangerous, than the service that you don't use anyway.
And even if you don't like threads, just block it.
Aral Balkan
@tgwtgs1589 Thanks, ThatGuyWithTheGreenShirt, I’m sure every vulnerable group on the fediverse can breathe easier now that you’ve set their minds at ease that it’s not a threat to your privileged self.
ThatGuyWithTheGreenShirt1589
@aral yes you should probably move away from mastodon.social but not because they are federating with threats. Instead just because the server is becoming to crowded.
There is zero threat in federating with Threads (pun intended) and you can all relaxe about this a little 🙂
Eugene himself is doing a great job for the fediverse. Being open to even meta and not excluding them by principle.
Issues about moderation can and should be addressed to the threads team but please be fair.
Aral Balkan
@eatyourglory Donno, I guess you could offer to help them if they’re having trouble or asking for help :)
eatyourglory
@aral hey aral, is there something i could do to help people get off mastodon.social?
Aral Balkan
@MartinaNeumayer I wouldn’t hold your breath. This is not a legal issue, it’s an ethical one.
Martina Neumayer
@aral I'll just sit and wait for some lawsuits against Eugen and his company for allowing people being robbed by Meta due to his ignorance and dumb actions. I wonder how long it takes to see the first one? 🤔 🙄
Aral Balkan
@Twitter_expat You seem nice. Goodbye.
Twitter_expat
You can have the views that you want about #Threads and #Meta and all but exposing @Gargon to more cyber abuse. Those who you think you want to protect will themselves abuse Gargon in a heart beat.
Anyone replying to this with offensive tone will be blocked. I dont follow you Aral and wont ever do, Im not interested in any of the issue you comment about. Im commenting beacuse I follow the #Threads and I have seen countless of user offering cyber abuse towards Gargon.
Crafty
@aral I just wish there was an easy way to find servers that align with ones morals? I left my first one due to them not defederating from Meta, next I chose an EU one, they suspended me for calling out blatant Israeli propaganda and now I'm stuck here because I couldn't find anything better. Being on here feels more and more like a chore and a LOT of servers make neither block lists nor rules beyond "don't break law" public.
avaness
@aral I don't understand why threads is an issue. It seems like just another server to me. Maybe one with issues moderating people, but doesn't the massive amount of users and content on it outweigh that?
Aral Balkan
@avaness No, it doesn’t.
Aral Balkan
@stephengentle @Wabbit Only it does matter. One the fediverse we don’t just protect ourselves, we also watch out for those around us.
Stephen Gentle
@Wabbit @aral It doesn’t matter if an instance federates with threads - like any other instance, if you want to block the whole instance, the option is in the ‘…’ menu on any post from threads.net. You have the power to decide for yourself.
McWabbit🐰
Ah, too bad. I respect Eugen's work and wanted to give the larger instances time, but will look for another instance now.
Is there any site where I can filter instances that have a higher maximum character limit than the default 500?
https://fedipact.veganism.social/?v2 and https://fedidb.org/network do not seem to have this particular filter.
If I have to move, I'd like to move to one that blocks Threads (and Bluesky) and have a higher limit.
And accepts my fuming toots condemning nazis :catjam:
Felipe
Felipe
@aral @Gargron found it: https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/112208521589924874 #desinformation
Aral Balkan
@fbobraga @Gargron Here’s your context:
https://www.platformer.news/mastodon-interview-eugen-rochko-meta-bluesky-threads-federation/
And you know what you can you with your “desinformation” [sic] tag.
Aral Balkan
@BiggestBulb Yep, mstdn.social is @stux’s instance. Looks like they’re federating with Facebook/Meta too, though.
Facebook/Meta doesn’t get as much legitimacy from smaller instances + not the author of Mastodon’s instances federating but still.
BiggestBulb 💡🏳️🌈🧑💻
@aral I'm preeeeeetty sure mstdn.social is separate from mastodon.social...?
Aral Balkan
@the_wiggler Legitimising these bastards and not protecting the vulnerable people on your instance from unmoderated transphobia, etc.
the_wiggler
@aral What exactly do you precive the danger to be?
I don't like threads, but it's mere existence and inclusion doesn't seem to be dangerous. Right now it seems more like a benign tumor. Something to watch.
Aral Balkan
@taketwo Partnering with a corporation like this isn’t a technical decision, it’s an ethical one.
taketwo
@aral It is not an open and federated protocol that gets widely adapted if you have a lock out of potencial partners.
Juho Mäntysalo
Getting large institutional actors on Fediverse is a big part of popularising the platform.
Aral Balkan
@iju @big_louse Ethics be damned.
Job Destroyer
He said this right after offering his service to the Whitehouse, what a friggin bootlicker
Job Destroyer
Idk what you mean, there are in fact TERFs on fedi already there's an instance called spinsters i know of, of course they are blocked by most of us, no one is denying them access to the technology but we dont need to go out of our way to help them. That goes double for Meta or other mega corporations.
Just like the US government is perfectly capable of setting up an activitypub server.
Going put of your way to acvomodare the wealthiest and most powerful people on the planet against what may be the majority of one's userbase is certainly not becoming
Juho Mäntysalo
Yeah, I addressed that in my other post:
https://mastodon.social/@iju/112234235808358225
That said, I'd like to say that please don't assume something not directly stated. That's just strawmanning, and it's unbecoming:
https://mas.to/@TechConnectify/112226607795971711
Also: expecting sainthood of mortal people in a complicated world is rather unconstructive. Even as "greater good" -arguments rarely end well.
Question is largerly is TERF-content something that requires defenetration or technological incompatibility.
Aral Balkan
@iju @big_louse That’s when they began to be exploited for profit. Because our economic system doesn’t enable us to image futures where exploitation ad enshittification isn’t the only possible option.
Juho Mäntysalo
Well, arguably both internet and email became popular when commercial operators were allowed operations in the second half of the 1990s.
At that point Internet had existed half a decade, and email two.
Juho Mäntysalo
More like: is internet big because a whitehouse (among other institutional actors) has a webpage? Is email big because whitehouse (among other..) has an adress?
I'd argue yes.
Job Destroyer
Job Destroyer
Larte institutional actors? When has that ever been true? Is tiktok big because biden is on it? No platforms get big then institutions move in
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