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   Trevor Flowers (trevorflowers@widerweb.org)'s status on Friday, 05-Apr-2024 06:54:01 JST Trevor Flowers

   I wish more people who are worried about FOSS supply side attacks would realize that universal basic income and free healthcare would result in an almost infinite stream of excellent software from people who care more about quality than profit.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 05-Apr-2024 15:36:15 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr @trevorflowers Which is quite why I find that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salaire_%C3%A0_vie makes more sense, you'd even keep the economic encouragement for people to study/work which politically is likely more acceptable.
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     csolisr (csolisr@hub.azkware.net)'s status on Friday, 05-Apr-2024 15:36:18 JST csolisr

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     @trevorflowers The only part that's missing from the UBI equation is finding how to actually raise the money to make basic income workable, especially with the expected fewer people in the workforce.
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     wraptile (wraptile@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 05-Apr-2024 15:37:07 JST wraptile

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     @trevorflowers since college my dream was to work on FOSS but it never materialized as I had to pay bills somehow. If I had UBI it most certainly would have become a reality as I all I needed is some eggs, ramen and a laptop.

     I trully believe UBI would be the biggest positive societal shift since the internet. That extra safety net is just so invaluable for human creativity!

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 06-Apr-2024 07:11:30 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @lispi314 @csolisr @trevorflowers
     On the certification part, it's not supposed to be tied only to the academic part, but also experience, otherwise I would throw it all away. (as I have 0 academic certifications and realistically I'm not if sure I'll ever have any)
     
     As for the political part… could be a problem for say Tor Project / Tails developers but the publicly known ones also participate in other projects. That said I'd rather have it work via unions (like unemployment works in some countries) rather than government agencies (like done in recent decades in France for unemployment, which plainly sucks).
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 06-Apr-2024 07:11:31 JST LisPi

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     • csolisr
     @lanodan @trevorflowers @csolisr That has a number of flaws, but most particularly an insistence on papers.
     
     A lot of Free Software programmers do *not* have the academic certifications and so on paper do not have the "professional competency" they actually have. In some cases, due to a variety of issues unrelated to monetary cost, they *cannot* acquire said certification either.
     
     It is also an issue for Libre work on politically inconvenient technologies (though it is equally an issue with pseudonymous authorship of some investigative stuff), such that alternative acknowledgements of specialization/competence might also pose a risk by flagging one as a target for feds.
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     😀🚲 (enobacon@urbanists.social)'s status on Saturday, 06-Apr-2024 07:14:12 JST 😀🚲

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     @bobjonkman @MylesRyden @trevorflowers you might be amazed at how quickly technology would eliminate shitty jobs when people have to be convinced rather than coerced into doing them.

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     Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Saturday, 06-Apr-2024 07:14:13 JST Bob Jonkman

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     @MylesRyden

     The shitty jobs still exist and still need to get done, even when there's #UBI. The difference is, with UBI people can say "No" to shitty jobs with poor pay. So to get the shitty jobs done they have to pay enough so people want to do them. UBI makes shitty jobs a bit less shitty.

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     MylesRyden (mylesryden@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Saturday, 06-Apr-2024 07:14:14 JST MylesRyden

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     One comment I didn't see in the thread, which has some great comments by the way, is the assumption on the past of many, perhaps most people that UBI means that no one would work.

     Which is ridiculous. People love to do and make things when they aren't getting paid. The problem is getting people to do shitty jobs. So, put down another benefit of UBI that there would less shitty jobs.

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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 06-Apr-2024 07:31:12 JST LisPi

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     • csolisr
     @lanodan @trevorflowers @csolisr The problem with unions, at least here, is that they *also* often have paperwork red tape requirements. So they wouldn't meaningfully differ from government, and in fact might be worse since they often have harsher requirements on recency of employment, certification/license and whatnot. (Needless to say, there's a lot to fix.)
     
     I think the overwhelming majority of people involved in stuff like I2P are pseudonymous, and for good reason since the project feels a fair bit more serious about traffic obfuscation than Tor.
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