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   indignation@merovingian.club's status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 20:53:38 JST Indignation

   • Turd Flinging Monkey

   @Tfmonkey What do you think of military gums? It says it boosts cognitive performance….

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     shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 20:53:31 JST shortstories

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     @Indignation @Tfmonkey

     I would not trust any claim based on statistical significance tests esoecially without a physical mechanism mentioned

     Cognition and Brain Activation in Response to Various Doses of Caffeine: A Near-Infrared Spectroscopy Study

     https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.01393/full

     https://web.archive.org/web/20240330111724/https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.01393/full

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     shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 20:53:31 JST shortstories

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     @Indignation @Tfmonkey

     How was this conducted did people choose whether or not they use the gum or were they assigned to use or not use the gum?

     A problem with smoking causing depression is unless you force people to smoke or not smoke, you can not know if smoking makes you depressed or if depressed people choose to smoke

     Also do they test people immediately after using caffeine one time or after using caffeine every day for a period of multiple days?

     How much time after use do they test?

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     shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 20:53:32 JST shortstories

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     @Indignation @Tfmonkey

     What if cognitive performance only increases for a short time period while you are under the influence of caffeine and drops below where you started due to fatigue when the caffeine is no longer influencing you such that on average over a longer time period your cognitive performance is the same or worse even though it is better in a immediate time frame

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     shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 20:53:33 JST shortstories

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     @Indignation @Tfmonkey

     There are a lot of articles claiming coffee or caffeine boost cognitive performance if you do an online search for caffeine and cognitive performance

     Why would getting caffeine from chewing gum but not swallowing it boosts performance more than from eating or drinking food with caffeine in it? If not what is so special about the gum?

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     indignation@merovingian.club's status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 20:53:34 JST Indignation

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     @Tfmonkey They say this on their website though…

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     Turd Flinging Monkey (tfmonkey@merovingian.club)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 20:53:35 JST Turd Flinging Monkey

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     @Indignation They gave up energy drinks called Rip It. They were like short little cans. They never gave up gum.

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     indignation@merovingian.club's status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 20:53:36 JST Indignation

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     @Tfmonkey They are caffeine gums. https://militaryenergygum.com I heard they use them in the military.

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     Turd Flinging Monkey (tfmonkey@merovingian.club)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 20:53:37 JST Turd Flinging Monkey

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     @Indignation I'm never heard of "military gums". Are they just caffeine gum, or do they have vitamins and shit in them?

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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2024 20:54:50 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @shortstories @Indignation @Tfmonkey >you can not know if smoking makes you depressed or if depressed people choose to smoke
     They have a good idea that it's the latter based upon chemicals found in burning tobacco and the tendency of mentally ill to chain-smoke. I've seen a literal schizo picking up cigarette butts from an ash trash or bar patio to relight.
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     • Turd Flinging Monkey

     @BowsacNoodle @Indignation @Tfmonkey

     But that does not disprove that both smoking increases likelihood of depression and also depression or mental illness increases likelihood of smoking

     My point is not about smoking that is just an example

     My point is correlation shown in statistical signifucance tests does not support causation unless people are assigned to do an activity instead of looking at who chose to do an activity before the data was collected

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     • shortstories
     @shortstories @Indignation @Tfmonkey it doesn't prove it, but it's not useless as evidence. Just reminding you to not treat that as a thought terminating statement is all.