🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Agreed, most excuses by police are pretty weak "I have to shoot them the moment they reach cause they could have had a gun and my safety is important so im justified to shoot and kill and ask questions later"....
"Sounds reasonable, we will just give you a pay cut".
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Murray_N
@freemo @teknomunk @realcaseyrollins
Their safety IS important, just like the rest of us.
If they can’t take the pressure of proper conduct they shouldn’t be in the job.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Agreed, im fine with them addressing their safety as long as it isnt at the expense of everyone elses.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
As long as I as a citizen can shoot an officer dead the moment he has a hiccup and that logic is applied equally in both directions its fine with me.
So long as the cops can say "I was scared for my life" and I cant, then we have a problem.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
My solution is simple... take all special privilages away from cops. no more qualified immunity, no more special considerations in court.. pay them MORE for the risk if needed, but let them be no different than any other citizen.
Murray_N
@freemo @teknomunk @realcaseyrollins
Agreed. They are no more or less important than any other decent human, and even the indecent ones deserve due process lest the system become ever more weighted in the direction of shoot first and ask questions later.
Murray_N
@freemo @icedquinn @teknomunk @realcaseyrollins
The cops can roll up guns out and and pointed at you.
If they can’t break a shot before the other guy can draw they need more training.
We as civilians, in CCW states anyway, can’t even show our guns until the threat is imminent as judged by 12 of our peers, likely to be hand picked as anti gunners.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
A'yup
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Pure ideologies are never good. but specific ideiologies crafted and used where appropriate works well...
You need capitalism in the right places, a little bit of democracy a little bit of anarchist thought.... a proper government has a bit of everything in the right proportions usually.
Murray_N
@freemo @teknomunk @realcaseyrollins
That’s been the anarcho-capitalist solution for decades.
You don’t see private security going off the rails very often.
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@teknomunk @icedquinn @Murray_N @freemo I think one problem with legalizing RPGs for citizens is that either a) citizens could attack law enforcement while they have no recourse for self defense due to a lack of comparable weaponry, and b) terrorists could get their hands on such a weapon and attack the government or citizens, with similar results.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Wait, I didnt know Role Playing Games were illegal!
In all seriousness though my stance is similar to yours but one step up... Any weapon allowed on US soil, to be used against US citizenry, by the government should be legal to own by a citizen.
That would mean either we would need to make it illegal to deploy the national guard against its own citizens or would need to allow US citizens to have military weapons. I'd be ok with either of these two outcomes.
teknomunk
casey is remote
@teknomunk @icedquinn @Murray_N @freemo Nah, I wanna keep the caveat that this should only apply to arms the police can use.
The police cannot use tanks or rocket launchers, for example, so it's fine if citizens cannot. What do cops need a tank for, realistically? And if a cop doesn't have a tank, the citizens don't need tanks either.
teknomunk
casey is remote
@icedquinn @teknomunk @Murray_N @freemo I don't get the phrase "militarizing the police". I don't think I'd want to live in a country where cops *can't* have guns, like in the #UK.
People should just be able to use any gun the cops can use.
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Murray_N
@freemo @realcaseyrollins @teknomunk @icedquinn
Judge Andrew Napolitano has said we should have access to the same weapons the government would bring to bear against us.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I always thought it was silly when people went "The military has more weapons than you"... my response is usually "and how is that an argument to give them a bigger advantage than what they already have?"
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