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GAGOOT (gagoot@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2022 01:37:23 JST GAGOOT
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OISC? Ternary statements? Stack operations? Brainfuck?

I know what these things are, but they have nothing to do with my proposed ultimate computer language. I frequently have difficulty explaining my ideas. When I have some time for this, I'll put together a hypothetical code example, and post it here.

In the meantime, consider: "What is the connection between computer language and thought? To what degree does our choice of how we express software change the way we think about the problem?"

https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1531242 (A Conversation with Arthur Whitney, creator of A+, j, k, q, and Shakti)

https://www.eecg.utoronto.ca/~jzhu/csc326/readings/iverson.pdf ("Notation as a Tool of Thought", by Kenneth E. Iverson, creator of APL, 1979 ACM Turing Award Lecture)

https://jsoftware.com/papers/tot.htm (HTML version of the above PDF)
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  "A single universal programming language is not desirable. You can't have a language that is an optimal fit for every use-case: the same language isn't going to work well for systems programming as for chewing up logfiles. You can make a language that does both, but you can't make one that does both as well as a language purpose-built for either."
  
  I disagree. Didn't you (or someone else here) recently say that everything should be programmed in a DSL? Well, each DSL could be generated from a language that does everything, such as IBM's PL/I.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain-specific_language
  
  NOTE to the person here who mentioned Multics: That was written in PL/I.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/I#Multics_PL/I_and_derivatives
  
  NOTE: I've long thought TXL to be rather cool, but have yet to find a real use for it.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TXL_(programming_language)
  
  Anyway, my proposed ultimate computer language would need to have hardware designed specifically for it in order for its programs to run efficiently. When you are designing both the hardware and the software simultaneously, you have the opportunity to build a language suited for all uses.
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    A domain-specific language (DSL) is a computer language specialized to a particular application domain. This is in contrast to a general-purpose language (GPL), which is broadly applicable across domains. There are a wide variety of DSLs, ranging from widely used languages for common domains, such as HTML for web pages, down to languages used by only one or a few pieces of software, such as MUSH soft code. DSLs can be further subdivided by the kind of language, and include domain-specific markup languages, domain-specific modeling languages (more generally, specification languages), and domain-specific programming languages. Special-purpose computer languages have always existed in the computer age, but the term "domain-specific language" has become more popular due to the rise of domain-specific modeling. Simpler DSLs, particularly ones used by a single application, are sometimes informally called mini-languages. The line between general-purpose languages and domain-specific languages is not always sharp, as a language may have specialized features for a particular domain but be applicable more broadly, or conversely may in principle...
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    TXL (programming language)
    
    TXL is a special-purpose programming language originally designed by Charles Halpern-Hamu and James Cordy at the University of Toronto in 1985. The acronym "TXL" originally stood for "Turing eXtender Language" after the language's original purpose, the specification and rapid prototyping of variants and extensions of the Turing programming language, but no longer has any meaningful interpretation. Modern TXL is specifically designed for creating, manipulating and rapidly prototyping language-based descriptions, tools and applications using source transformation. It is a hybrid functional / rule-based language using first order functional programming at the higher level and term rewriting at the lower level. The formal semantics and implementation of TXL are based on formal term rewriting, but the term structures are largely hidden from the user due to the example-like style of pattern specification. Each TXL program has two components: a description of the source structures to be transformed, specified as a (possibly ambiguous) context-free grammar using an extended Backus–Naur Form; and a set of tree transformation rules, specified using pattern / replacement...
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  pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2022 01:37:18 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
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  A single universal programming language is not desirable. You can't have a language that is an optimal fit for every use-case: the same language isn't going to work well for systems programming as for chewing up logfiles. You can make a language that does both, but you can't make one that does both as well as a language purpose-built for either.
  
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  I forgot to include the following, from the special issue of the IBM Systems Journal (vol. 30, no. 4) celebrating the 25th anniversary of APL in 1991.
  
  http://sigapl.org/Articles/Language%20as%20an%20intellectual%20tool-From%20hieroglyphics%20to%20APL_sysj_r_29.pdf ("Language as an Intellectual Tool: From hieroglyphics to APL", by Donald B. McIntyre)
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  > A Conversation with Arthur Whitney
  
  A very good read. I'm a fan of Arthur Whitney.
  
  > Notation as a Tool of Thought
  
  Classic paper.
  
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  rust is just c for people who are too scared of being responsible for memory, half the "cool" features are just in the compiler
  
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  What about Rust? It's a cool language for universal usage.
  
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  The future of humanity is greatly tied to STEM. English is the best language for STEM, given its huge dictionary, and awesome ability at creating new words. Therefore, Unicode is unnecessary. Let's go back to ASCII.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science,_technology,_engineering,_and_mathematics
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_English_Dictionary
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    Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) is a broad term used to group together these academic disciplines. This term is typically used to address an education policy or curriculum choices in schools. It has implications for workforce development, national security concerns (as a shortage of STEM-educated citizens can reduce effectiveness in this area) and immigration policy.There is no universal agreement on which disciplines are included in STEM; in particular whether or not the science in STEM includes social sciences, such as psychology, sociology, economics, and political science. In the United States, these are typically included by organizations such as the National Science Foundation (NSF). The National Science Foundation deals with all matters concerning science and new discoveries in science as it affects development, research, and innovations, the Department of Labor's O*Net online database for job seekers, and the Department of Homeland Security. In the United Kingdom, the social sciences are categorized separately and are instead grouped together with humanities and arts to form another counterpart acronym HASS (Humanities...
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    The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) is the principal historical dictionary of the English language, published by Oxford University Press (OUP). It traces the historical development of the English language, providing a comprehensive resource to scholars and academic researchers, as well as describing usage in its many variations throughout the world.Work began on the dictionary in 1857, but it was only in 1884 that it began to be published in unbound fascicles as work continued on the project, under the name of A New English Dictionary on Historical Principles; Founded Mainly on the Materials Collected by The Philological Society. In 1895, the title The Oxford English Dictionary was first used unofficially on the covers of the series, and in 1928 the full dictionary was republished in 10 bound volumes. In 1933, the title The Oxford English Dictionary fully replaced the former name in all occurrences in its reprinting as 12 volumes with a one-volume supplement. More supplements came over the years until 1989, when...
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  if it's not LF, it's a bad compiler
  
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  space = " "
  tab = "\t"
  newline = "\n"
  easy
  
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  > JavaScript’s syntax defers the decision of what counts as whitespace to the Unicode database, which assigns a WSpace property
  
  MISTAKE delegating something simple like "what is space, tab, & newline" to a standards committee always ends in tears.
  
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    I’m assuming, if you are on the Internet and reading kind of a nerdy blog, that you know what Unicode is. At the very least, you have a very general understanding of it — maybe “it’s what gives us
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  It's definitely a fad, but by the time the fad's over it might just be easier to learn another language to keep up with STEM.
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  "... it will have to go against the very principle of competition between processor manufacturers, and the very reason why processors of different manufacturers have radically different architectures. Also the fact that manufacturers are constantly upgrading the architecture would make almost impossible to keep a "standard" for such binary language."
  
  You could take "Technology Independent Machine Interface" and expand it across manufacturers and architectures.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AS/400#Technology_Independence
  
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    IBM i (the i standing for integrated) is an operating system developed by IBM for IBM Power Systems. It was originally released in 1988 as OS/400, as the sole operating system of the IBM AS/400 line of systems. It was renamed to i5/OS in 2004, before being renamed a second time to IBM i in 2008. It is an evolution of the System/38 CPF operating system, with compatibility layers for System/36 SSP and AIX applications. It inherits a number of distinctive features from the System/38 platform, including the Machine Interface, the implementation of object-based addressing on top of a single-level store, and the tight integration of a relational database into the operating system. History Origin OS/400 was developed alongside the AS/400 hardware platform beginning in December 1985. Development began in the aftermath of the failure of the Fort Knox project, which left IBM without a competitive midrange system. During the Fort Knox project, a skunkworks project was started at Rochester by engineers, who succeeded in developing code which allowed System/36 applications to run...
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  You can run Java programs on any platform with Java. This is why running Minecraft servers on the craziest shit is possible. It's also why Android on x86 exists as well.
  
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  Then it would never happen.
  Basically because it will have to go against the very principle of competition between processor manufacturers, and the very reason why processors of different manufacturers have radically different architectures. Also the fact that manufacturers are constantly upgrading the architecture would make almost impossible to keep a "standard" for such binary language.
  
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  Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 05:17:14 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
  in reply to
  @p @rru142 @istvan @0 @GAGOOT @MK2boogaloo @Ratcliffe @TheMadPirate @Zerglingman @laurel @sysrq @xue @Hyolobrika @moth @pawlicker @cjd @deprecated_ii @graf @y @thatbrickster @yes Only ones that I could see try to fit this would be processor architectures, they're a binary language made to be interpreted well by hardware.
  But we've yet to agree on which architecture is the best, x86 is popular but horribly sucks.
  
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  pawlicker (pawlicker@pawlicker.ddns.net)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 05:26:38 JST pawlicker
  in reply to
  @TheMadPirate @bajax @rru142 @istvan @0 @Beekeeper @GAGOOT @MK2boogaloo @Ratcliffe @Zerglingman @apropos @kakkerel @laurel @p @sysrq @xue @Hyolobrika @moth @cjd @deprecated_ii @graf @lanodan @y @thatbrickster @yes Java is pretty much independent across CPUs and OSes and endianness.
  
  That's also why the Microsoft Sun lawsuit happened. Sun did not like how Microsoft was extending this to do native win32 at the expense of being able to run jar files on Itanium.
  
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  Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: (themadpirate@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 21-Oct-2022 05:26:39 JST Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified:
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  - pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
  - Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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  @pawlicker @GAGOOT @0 @Beekeeper @Hyolobrika @MK2boogaloo @Ratcliffe @Zerglingman @apropos @bajax @cjd @deprecated_ii @graf @istvan @kakkerel @lanodan @laurel @moth @p @rru142 @sysrq @thatbrickster @xue @y @yes
  TBH, the only true machine independent language I know of is CORBA's DSL , since the entirety of language is completely decoupled from whatever language the server is coded in.
  
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