@coolboymew tbh they haven't done anything since the x360 to innovate or stand out from the competition, and the 1st party games (and lack of them) provably solidifies this.
My predictions is that they go full in on Game Pass and also stick to software.
Though it makes me wonder who'll be entering the console market
@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage >physical games ending Seems like a bad move. Then again, major department stores, except Walmart, announced the end of physical movie sales. I take it this was a decision from three some-odd years ago that's being actioned now.
@coolboymew@thatbrickster >digital only on consoles is a big no for me And it will also be a big no when they'll start to enforce drm via me-sgx/psp/securecore/pmp/pvp because outside of hardware hack or old/niche hardware there won't be much place left to go.
@thatbrickster that might happen, to soften the blow, but again, digital only on consoles is a big no for me, I'm gonna go full pirate if that happens unless there's a rigorous digital ownership thing going on with ownership rights in law
If anything, the "positives" they'll be showing us are policy trojan horse to fuck you over later
@coolboymew I'm convinced the news will be the end of physical media. What I would like to see is a return to what they originally proposed before the Xbox One launch, where digital games would be treated more like physical media.
@coolboymew Didn't they recently lay off workers from the Xbox division? If they quit then I will be both elated and devastated knowing a bad platform is leaving for an even worse one to monopolise it. Nintendo is its own thing.
@birdulon@Pawlicker@hj@coolboymew Literally, anyone could've come up with the idea of Pokemon with guns. You can add guns to any existing game and make it your own. It's just like the whole "X in space" thing.
@mangeurdenuage@camedei456@coolboymew i don't understand. Physical media stopped being a condition more than 10 years ago. Just because you have a chunk of silicon or plastic dish with data on it doesn't give you jack shit right to anything. If you want to "resell" just buy a shrinkwrap machine, printer, lots of blank disks and jewel/dvd cases or just take used ones.
@coolboymew@camedei456@mangeurdenuage ok, let's assume that I am. Explain how. Explain how I am wrong. Better yet, demonstrate how you will be able to play The Crew after server shutdown in april this year.
@hj@camedei456@coolboymew >Just because you have a chunk of silicon or plastic dish with data on it doesn't give you jack shit right to anything It depends on the laws of your country, in France the copyright&trademark doesn't belong to you but the physical support copy does and you're allowed to make a copy for backup reasons, and you're allowed to share it, that's why people pay some specific taxes for.
@coolboymew@camedei456@mangeurdenuage i can buy indie game online and burn it to a CD. In fact want me to do exactly that and send it to you in mail? I can even make cover art et all, a thing developer didn't even do because there is no physical release.
You'll pay me of course and i'll just buy game again to compensate the devs, but I won't ask their permission. Would you like that "physical release"? I promise i won't send a pipebomb if i see that copy on ebay.
@coolboymew@camedei456@mangeurdenuage yes. Do explain how you gonna buy and sell physical disc of The Crew for PlayStayion 4 when the servers gets shutdown. Tell me how can I sell two disks of Left 4 Dead 2 when both serial numbers have been redeemed already. Tell me why shouldn't I burn indie games on a CD-R and pinky-promise i won't play them anymore because i intend on selling burned CD-Rs.
Tell me why there's demand for plastic waste.
Tell me why shitty DVD box with a shitty DVD-ROM of a videogame would sell twice many than my bootleg, and would sell 10 times less than very same bootleg except in shrinkwrap.
@hj@camedei456@mangeurdenuage Do I need to explain markets, supply and demand and that products are inherently worth money for you to understand anything at all?
and people verify that it's geniune? How they know it's not bootleg? How do you know if the jewel case is original or not? A lot of things are being sold without cardboard boxes, just the cartridge or jewel case/dvd case. CBM is acting as if every physical release is Deluxe Edition Premium that comes with artbook and figurine. Hell what it's worth if you buy a Deluxe Edition Premium "physical" edition of a game but inside of jewel case there's just a carboard cutout with a serial number sticker how it was with serial number. No one is gonna take away your sweet "physical releases" with deluxe premiums and "original geniune cardboard", they'll just replace cartridges and disks with serial number stickers.
@hj@camedei456@coolboymew >i can buy indie game online and burn it to a CD The value of that for people isn't the same at all. You are correct you can do that but it's not the same, people want "genuine" copy manufactured with it's cardboard box set and everything. You can see that in everything. Even collectable cards or figurines where some will be considered as "pristine" because it was never opened.
>I can even make cover art et all, a thing developer didn't even do because there is no physical release. You make me think of all of aliex "non official" copies you can get :akkolul: Of course you can, do if you wish, some people might be interested as long as you're honest.
@hj@camedei456@mangeurdenuage Your CD-R is worth jackshit, my copy of Earthbound is worth 500$CAD and you don't buy garbage like The Crew in the first place
>How they know it's not bootleg? It can happen, there are various ways to try and check if it's a "genuine" copy..
> CBM is acting as if every physical release is Deluxe Edition Premium that comes with artbook and figurine. He's just saying like I do that people value this stuff some can be considered more than others, sometime even the market is artificially scammed by some group of people jacking up the prices. It's human dynamics of exchange, some don't make sense at all, some do.
not really. I rarely get ability to buy something very expensive and I would rather buy a useful piece of plastic than a "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ITS SERIAL NUMBER GENIUNE NUMBER 69 THERE WERE ONLY 420 MADE EVER" useless turd.
>It can happen, there are various ways to try and check if it's a "genuine" copy..
Do they check? Do they live in constant existential crisis that they might have bought a fake and fell for "shrinkwrap" trick (again)?
>It's human dynamics of exchange, some don't make sense at all, some do.
Excuse me but I thought we were talking about videogames, not about trading anime figurines, ugly digital monkeys and tf2 hats.
Crying over phasing out physical media because you can't resell pieces of plastic is similar to crying that some tf2 hats cannot be crafted and therefore you can't have Level 69 of that one specific hat.
@mangeurdenuage@ForbiddenDreamer@camedei456@coolboymew it just annoys me to absolutely NO end that videogame industry is plagued by DRM, consumer rights being thrown into garbage bin, perpetual licenses being revoked, "innovation" really means "improvement in pick-pocketing", "buying" means "loaning" and all while this.... miserable little pile of secrets is crying that he won't be sell his fake games on ebay for 20 bucks anymore.
But no, I've never ever heard of fake games on circulation around that time, never seen any either and repros were something random dudes sometimes did in their basement and were absolutely fucking rare
@coolboymew@ForbiddenDreamer@camedei456@hj >'ve never ever heard of fake games on circulation around that time Notably because at that time few people where interested in that compared to today.
@hj@ForbiddenDreamer@camedei456@coolboymew >it just annoys me to absolutely NO end that videogame industry is plagued by DRM Same as it insinuate itself into everything else without control over it.
@mangeurdenuage@camedei456@coolboymew i don't have preference between digital and physical, I have both digital releases and phyiscal ones if those are more convenient, and I definitely shill a lot of money on merchandising - both legitimate and bootleg and the only way I'm parting with those is through natural decay (possibly 50% of my homestuck merch has already perished)
I can say that I do prefer playing videogames, not reselling them. CBM talks like he's the opposite.
> I would rather buy a useful piece of plastic than That's you, that's your preference, people other than you have other preferences.
>Do they check? Some do, some don't :shrugz: not my problem.
>Crying over We all have preferences in life, you prefer digital media and that's ok for you, other people prefer physical media and that's ok for them. That's at least a Freedom we all share is to be able to appreciate the stuff we want, for now.
@mangeurdenuage@ForbiddenDreamer@camedei456@coolboymew all and any form of DRM has always been a compromise, like a lock on a door. The lock itself isn't a problem. Problem is people. Companies pushing status quo way too hard, and put locks everywhere, and act like it's completely legal to do so. If this continues like this...
Well, imagine a future where everything is DRM-free, but if you make a single questionable act, Nintendo's goons¹ come to you and just shoot you on the spot.
¹) goons as in henchmen, gansters not as "goon" the jerking off session or whatever they call it nowadays
@coolboymew It kinda sucks to say that because I really liked the Achivement system with gamerscore on the xbox 360. I feel their achievements system is better than the Playstation format with trophies. I mean there is Steam achievements to fill that void too but SAM kinda makes those trivial and not really valuable.
@coolboymew I mean Microsoft's model with "play anywhere" it feels kind of pointless to keep selling consoles when they can sell you Gamepass and the cloud and remove the upfront cost of hardware and pass the expense on the users buying pc's or portable devices to use the service.
I don't think they're done with consoles yet but I think the new Xbox Series X revision that's all digital will probably be their last console. It makes sense since microsoft is no longer pressing physical games for their new releases and retailers like Wal*Mart are already starting to pull xbox one games off their retail shelves to the clearance bin.
As much as I hate Sony atleast they're giving their digital consumers the ability to buy an add-on to use physical media on their consoles. Microsoft could've learned something from Sony but they're all in on you owning nothing and being happy so fuck em.
@camedei456@coolboymew I think a lot of people forget what else was going on around the time of the DRM announcement (which was speculated to be from game publishers begging for it, as seen by "online passes"). Microsoft in the later years of the 360 brand had managed to dilute it, and the initial Xbox One announcement was everything that was wrong with this.
No games, no BC, higher price than the PS4 because of lolkinect, bundling the Kinect with the console and pre-launch "forcing" it, and this isn't even the used game aspect. If anything, the lack of the BC was the biggest flaw of the Xbox One launch because it gave whales zero reason to stick to the Xbox brand.
But more importantly, look how the Xbox brand was seen going into 2013. They had: The infamous five figure fee to push a title update.Requiring indies to have a publisher and not self publish.Segregating indies who did self publish into using the inferior public XNA sdk and forcing them into a subsection of the store with no chance of exposure.Halo 4A game drought at the end of the gen as Sony seemed to be announcing big name exclusive after exclusive.The Kinect and trying to chase the casual craze at the expense of the main product (does anyone remember when everyone and their mom was joking about the Kinect?)An increasingly big focus on media, which is what people were using consoles for before the rise of smart TVs and Rokus, but seemingly at the detriment of games.Aside from the used-game DRM thing, the Xbox brand in 2013 was symbolic with out of touch businessmen who quite frankly did not understand what customers and developers wanted. Even with Phil Spencer in charge, there was shit like the Halo MCC launch and dilution of the Halo brand, everyone being split as fuck on Game Pass, and highly questionable buyouts.
@coolboymew Of course. Microsoft lost the console war with the eighth generation of consoles. I remember the loss happened when Microsoft announced that physical Xbone games would digitally pair with certain consoles and use of a paired game on other consoles would need to phone home. Sony won by clowning on Microsoft about physical sharing. "Xbox is about to become the next watercooler."
>Segregating indies who did self publish into using the inferior public XNA sdk and forcing them into a subsection of the store with no chance of exposure.
That's crazy because even Nintendo learned from this mistake and it served them well in that on the Wii U, despite the crazy low sales, some indies actually beat sales records on it and had higher indie sales on it than the PS and Xbox combined
Also don't forget the higher print requirement, basically fucking over publishers like LRG. Xbox basically fucked their whales so bad in that way that LRG recently started offering Xbox games and they're gonna stop because nobody is buying them