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   Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 02:31:10 JST Sexy Moon
   telegram is conceptually so simple, it seems like it could be replaced with something that does 99% of what it does and not be proprietary
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 02:31:46 JST NEETzsche

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     modern fedi does what Telegram don't, but actually.

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     Lumeinshin (lumeinshin@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 02:33:10 JST Lumeinshin

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     @shibao @Moon YES XMPP THE GOAT
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 02:34:03 JST ロミンちゃん

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     @Moon like irc?
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     @shibao @Moon XMPP with Telegram UX would honestly be my ideal chat platform
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 02:37:34 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @Moon Wouldn't the biggest issue be hosting? (hence why most libre stuff tends to be decentralised, it allows to scale horizontally with a bunch of potatos)
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 02:39:35 JST Sexy Moon

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     @shibao @allison every xmpp client on my phone sucks battery dry
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     🌲-alist (threalist@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 02:44:18 JST 🌲-alist

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     • gvs
     We're over here talking about SimpleX
     
     https://simplex.chat/
     
     The challenge they all have is scale
     
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     @shibao @Moon What I don't get is why nobody forks the Telegram client and just swaps out MTProto interoperability for XMPP, they already did all the hard UX work for you and the end result would run on everything from Windows to OpenBSD to Haiku
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     @gvs @shibao @Moon I actually don't think Conversations looks dated or out of place at all compared to everything else on my phone, and the feel is fine too. Not absolutely best in class, but fine.
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     gvs (gvs@rebelbase.site)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 02:55:38 JST gvs

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     Conversations has a very dated UI. I agree Telegram looks good, even if it is the worst at security.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 03:16:58 JST 

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     @laurel @allison @shibao @Moon >as long as Telegram doesn't start abusing its users
     It already does with phone numbers and absolutely sudden full deletion of accounts by doing nothing, like it already happened both to myself and my boy @diazepam.
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     laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 03:17:01 JST laurel

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     @allison @shibao @Moon
     
     I don't get this whole obsession with clients. Even the js ones are fine.
     I think a lot of people just like the discord bloat.
     
     Telegram's success is the result of making the right choices over a very long period of time, slowly bringing whole community ecosystems over. XMPP hasn't been a viable alternative for nearly as long as Telegram has. And as long as Telegram doesn't start abusing its users it'll be difficult for alternatives to become big enough so that network effects kick in. Much like fedi really where it was *chan's/twitter's/reddit's moderators that basically attacked their own users.
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     @laurel @shibao @Moon To interoperate with most people using XMPP now, you need OMEMO support. This effectively leaves you with the choices of a few CLI clients (self explanatory), Gajim (I refuse to use it again after it managed to hang my i7-8700k desktop for a full minute accessing messages, on top of already pulling in Python and GTK and a bunch of other undesirable things), Psi+ (Russian ??????, OK if you like the old AIM style UX but lack of dark mode makes it a non starter for me), Dino (GNOME), Conversations (mobile only and simultaneously the only truly decent one on this list) and probably some others I'm forgetting either because they're not widely used or they're simply too new to support what is expected of a modern client.
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     laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 03:21:59 JST laurel

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     @mint @Moon @allison @diazepam @shibao
     
     Damn I didn't know about these. Latest Telegram censorship I had heard about was them deleting some terrorgram channels years ago.
     Still, in comparison to what it took for re*dit and shitter cattle to come here, it's gonna take a lot more than what they are currently doing.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 03:25:14 JST 

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     @allison @laurel @shibao @Moon Attachment encryption with OMEMO is still broken in Psi+.
     https://github.com/bascht/omemo-top/issues/257
     Conversations takes a shitton of time to connect and load the chat history.
     Screen Shot 2024-01-14 at 21.23…
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     @mint @laurel @shibao @Moon I literally am that soyjak to a degree you couldn't even begin to comprehend, probably from a youth spent in the likes of terminal emulators and KDX (KDX is probably still the single prettiest chat application I've ever used even if it's way too heterodox for most people here)
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 03:28:42 JST 

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     @laurel @allison @shibao @Moon >pretty sure Telegram Desktop is also electron
     It's Qt6 (which makes it a pain in the ass to rebuild after each system update).
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     laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 03:28:44 JST laurel

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     @allison @Moon @shibao
     
     I sort of like converse.js. (supports OMEMO)
     I host it and I've even got some normie people to use it when they want to send me something privately.
     It also has an electron release, pretty sure Telegram Desktop is also electron.
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     @laurel @shibao @Moon Telegram Desktop is Qt on every platform except macOS, iOS, and Android, blindingly responsive too. You really don't know the simultaneous heights of polish and responsiveness that are possible in a chat client while still remaining truly crossplatform until you try it on Haiku or Linux using some C2D shitbox.
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     laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 04:15:38 JST laurel

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     @shibao @Moon @allison
     
     There was a bug with omemo but it was due to me testing it using two tabs in the same browser, which works for unencrypted messages but fails for omemo. And the error message gave no hints as to what was going on. After cleaning the keys it works perfectly.
     
     I do prefer profanity myself but it is very convenient to have a simple web client.
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