@allison @shibao @Moon

I don't get this whole obsession with clients. Even the js ones are fine.
I think a lot of people just like the discord bloat.

Telegram's success is the result of making the right choices over a very long period of time, slowly bringing whole community ecosystems over. XMPP hasn't been a viable alternative for nearly as long as Telegram has. And as long as Telegram doesn't start abusing its users it'll be difficult for alternatives to become big enough so that network effects kick in. Much like fedi really where it was *chan's/twitter's/reddit's moderators that basically attacked their own users.