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   georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 16:11:49 JST georgia
   Humans will never be able to truly bring people back to life. If digitization ever happens it will just be a soulless Frankenstinian Chinese Room.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 16:11:47 JST georgia

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     atheists DNI
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 16:29:13 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @georgia tfw that makes me wonder if I am one or not, usually I would say I'm atheist because no dieties/gods, but I do think there are souls/spirits (plus a whole bunch of other things from modern celtic folklore).
     An example of that being why I make the difference between a cyborg and a robot.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 17:38:47 JST georgia

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     @retropikzel_ @lanodan no
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     retropikzel_ (retropikzel_@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 17:38:48 JST retropikzel_

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     @lanodan @georgia If any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws) Maybe any sufficiently advanced robot is indistinguishable from soul?

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 17:56:39 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @georgia @retropikzel_ Yup, because souls aren't technology, you could say they're an unknown in current science, like as far as I know, we haven't managed to create one artificially, not even a bootleg like Frankenstein monster.
     In fact one way I'd explain that is how "cloning" is more like creating artificial twins, so two very distinct beings, even if they had the exact same experience/memories.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 18:07:27 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @retropikzel_ @georgia Yeah, you could.
     But "advanced technology" ⇒ "seen as magic by less advanced people" doesn't really goes the other way, unless you're saying there's more advanced people with said technology? :D (I don't btw, but I entirely can accept the idea, at least as long as it didn't get disproven)
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     retropikzel_ (retropikzel_@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 18:07:28 JST retropikzel_

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     @lanodan @georgia Unknown, like magic.

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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 05:00:58 JST LisPi

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     @lanodan @georgia @retropikzel_ > Yup, because souls aren't technology, you could say they're an unknown in current science, like as far as I know, we haven't managed to create or even duplicate one artificially, not even a bootleg like Frankenstein monster.
     That's mostly because we haven't managed to measure one.
     
     The first step in being able to do anything mechanistically is to be able to measure it.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 05:08:22 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @lispi314 @retropikzel_ @georgia I'd more say proper observation, like we probably got able to create fires artificially with the proper materials and techniques but no measurements beyond our eyes.
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 05:18:58 JST LisPi

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     @lanodan @georgia @retropikzel_ Well, there's no real difference between observation and measurement, in theory.
     
     The practical difference is simply that measurement implies a sufficiently accurate observation to be useful for some given purpose.
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     ??? 妛彁 :xf_nyxsigil: :xf_nyxdisapproving: (nyx@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 06:15:32 JST ??? 妛彁 :xf_nyxsigil: :xf_nyxdisapproving:

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     @georgia thank gods for that, just let me fucking die tbh
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     ?Hidden? (hidden@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 06:15:32 JST ?Hidden?

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     @nyx @georgia Yeah worst future imaginable is a deathless one tbh tbh
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